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UnderGround Forum >> Anthony Rumble Johnson appeal...
| 7/21/08 1:04 AM | |
KenP
Edited: 07/21/08 1:16 AM Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 4147 MMAagents.com, Sports Agent |
I would be remiss if I didn't file a complaint and seek recourse for the outcome of the Anthony Johnson fight results this weekend. The UG has always been a valuable resource to me and as such I am reaching out looking for creativity to add to the appeal. All of you attorneys and armchair warriors, this is your chance to affect the process. I don't want to share our current arguments that are based at law and in the Nevada code because I don't want to tip our hat or effect the commentary. That being said it seems the more people I speak to, the more different perspectives I get as to precedent, equity, due process, etc. AJ deserves the best, and most creative appeal and should not be limited to the vast expanse of my mind or the input of my network. The reality is we seek to get a UFC decision overturned after the fact and to the best of my recollection that has only been done once before in the Radach Berger fight. I also believe we have the UFC's support in this effort. I respect the process and am not trying to cry or complain here. I also believe Keith Kizer is the best Commissioner in the game. He has always been fair and is rational. While there may not be a code section that affords the opportunity to overturn a decision as he informed me, he has always considered all input and done his best to effectuate justice. I do believe however, to a man, everyone who has seen the fight believes that the outcome was unjust. I also believe Mr. Kizer will take everything into consideration and if afforded and opportunity at law or equity will correct this unfortunate situation. Let's figure out a way to untie his hands. Meanwhile, Anthony Johnson has accepted what has happened and has shown nothing but class through the process. This was most evident in the first round when he inadvertently kick Kevin Burns in the groin and backed off and apologized. He didn't not call Kevin Burns out for the six or so eye gouges with and open hand or for pouncing after putting three of his finger print on the back of his eye socket. Rumble told me he thought his eye popped out. Rise up in support UG and help with some creativity.
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| 7/21/08 1:12 AM | |
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AlbertEinstein
Member Since: 6/15/07 Posts: 1147 |
affect the process IMO
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| 7/21/08 1:14 AM | |
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Pugna Vox
Member Since: 1/30/07 Posts: 503 Pugna Vox Studios, Audio Guru |
Real classy, Ken.
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| 7/21/08 1:17 AM | |
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AlbertEinstein
Member Since: 6/15/07 Posts: 1148 |
It's completely ludicrous that they gave a TKO victory to Burns. I can't wait to check him out on fight finder: Win Anthony Johnson Eye gouge. LOL. It should have at very least been a NC. I think it should have been a DQ win for Johnson just because it happened so many times, and the ref warned him not once, but twice. WTF do you have to do to get disqualified then? I would also be happy if they went to the scorecards like when a boxing match is stopped due to a cut caused by an accidental headbutt. But you just can't give a win to someone that used an illegal technique to end the fight. That's rubbish. Next thing you know, everyone will be throwing the 'open palm strike' in hopes of winning the same way.
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| 7/21/08 1:25 AM | |
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NorthFromHere
Member Since: 1/4/07 Posts: 3457 |
This was one of the most outrageous decisions ever in MMA. I'd apply for NC or DQ for sure.
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| 7/21/08 1:27 AM | |
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The78Circus
Member Since: 12/17/07 Posts: 358 |
I don't see how they won't overturn it to NC if an appeal is made. It's clear as day on video. I don't see any need to make some creative flashy appeal imo. He got robbed and they need to wipe that "loss" of his record.
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| 7/21/08 1:29 AM | |
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KenP
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 4148 MMAagents.com, Sports Agent |
Vox rarely have you been a Pav proponent. Am I to assume that your response is based in sarcasm. I am humbling myself for the benefit of the advancement of my client. That is what the best agent does. That is what a fighter deserves.
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| 7/21/08 1:30 AM | |
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Bullwinkle
Member Since: 11/27/05 Posts: 87 |
AJ was eye gouged many times. Mazagatti gave Burns one verbal warning that I could hear from the broadcast...and that came later in the fight after Burns had gouged AJ at least twice before. IMO Burns should've been disqualified even before that final eye gouge.
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| 7/21/08 1:34 AM | |
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KenP
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 4149 MMAagents.com, Sports Agent |
Devils advocate.... It was human error on the part of the ref. It was not called. also... There are no rules empowering instant replay for review. also... NAC 467.770 says the Commission will not overturn a decsion unless 1) Collusion affecting the results, 2)Scorecards compiled in error, 3) Error interpreting rule provision There is no substitiue for doing the work. I am doing it. I also have some valid arguements in the appeal. I am looking for more because AJ deserves it.
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| 7/21/08 1:35 AM | |
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MMADE
Member Since: 9/20/06 Posts: 183 |
NC for sure its the refs fault it wasint a Dq not Burns, so the least the Commish could do is over turn the dec to a NC
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| 7/21/08 1:41 AM | |
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panic686
Member Since: 3/18/02 Posts: 10920 |
KenP - Devils advocate.... I would think that you could use the 3) Error interpreting rule provision. I would argue that means of determining it was a tko win was an error in the interpretation of the rules. I am sorry that I am so tired or I would explain it better but the ref seemed to rule it a tko because he did not seem to know what the appropriate action would have been.
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| 7/21/08 1:41 AM | |
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TagaCameron
Member Since: 10/23/04 Posts: 1185 |
Radach/Berger was overturned after the event. Medina/Dewees was overturned due to premature stoppage. Which is odd. Maynard/Emerson was ruled a no contest at the event.
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| 7/21/08 1:42 AM | |
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TheTrollSmasher
Member Since: 6/22/07 Posts: 2623 |
ttt Anthony Johnson was so clearly robbed in that fight i dont think you need a very creative argument. The commision watching the fight should be plenty. WHat a shitty call Anthony Johnson will be the first man to hold 3 ufc belts in different weight classes at the same time
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| 7/21/08 1:50 AM | |
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Kansas Comet
Member Since: 5/29/07 Posts: 5570 |
It was such an obvious erroneous TKO "win" for Burns; I honestly can not see how the Commission will not overturn the bogus decision/TKO. There is just no way a fighter can win on an illegal albeit inadvertent Eye-poke. I will lose so much respect for the commission if this Burn's "victory" is not overturned to at least a no contest if not an outright DQ win for AJ.
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| 7/21/08 2:00 AM | |
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Bullwinkle
Member Since: 11/27/05 Posts: 88 |
Human error on the part of the referee should be grounds for overturning a decision.
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| 7/21/08 2:12 AM | |
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Pugna Vox
Member Since: 1/30/07 Posts: 504 Pugna Vox Studios, Audio Guru |
Ken, I've seen you go to the wall for your clients before, and – believe or not – I respect that. Incredibly so. But in this case you're indirectly calling out another fighter, Kevin Burns, for his conduct and calling on the UG collective to intervene on you and your client's behalf. If you're as half as sharp as you present yourself, what reason would you have to bring it up in a public forum other than to stir the pot while continuing the heaping load of abuse the UG has dumped on Burns? I have not yet seen the fight, as I was on the road this weekend and storms on Saturday night knocked out power and reset the DVR. But I've met Kevin a number of times and between my impression of his character and the company he keeps, I'm confident in saying he didn't intentionally gouge the eyes. Especially in a fight he was arguably winning, from the comments I've read. Go ahead and do your job and make the case for your fighter, I'd expect no less from you. But perhaps you can do your own homework to present your case to the commission and not drag another talented fighter any further through the media mill. And you probably shouldn't post after 3 or more appletinis.
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| 7/21/08 2:19 AM | |
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panic686
Member Since: 3/18/02 Posts: 10926 |
Pugna Vox Too many eye gouges not to call it into question. If my hand was hurt and I was trying to throw palm strikes but was causing eye gouges more than one time, I would have to change up my gameplan.
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| 7/21/08 2:19 AM | |
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Bullwinkle
Edited: 07/21/08 2:20 AM Member Since: 11/27/05 Posts: 89 |
Pugna Vox, Kevin Burns' character was not attacked anywhere in Ken's post. Also, you should watch the fight first before posting. AJ was winning that fight. You're complaining about things that weren't said and commenting on a fight you didn't watch yet.
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| 7/21/08 2:22 AM | |
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Pugna Vox
Member Since: 1/30/07 Posts: 505 Pugna Vox Studios, Audio Guru |
LittleMick -Pugna Vox - I have not yet seen the fight,Then why don't you leave the discussion to those who have? Because I'm not addressing the fight. Try to keep up.
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| 7/21/08 2:36 AM | |
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Kansas Comet
Member Since: 5/29/07 Posts: 5572 |
You need to see the fight first Pugna Vox to have a discussion on this case and fight - you keep up!
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| 7/21/08 2:41 AM | |
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KenP
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 4150 MMAagents.com, Sports Agent |
Pugna Vox - Ken, I've seen you go to the wall for your clients before, and – believe or not – I respect that. Incredibly so.First, Kevin did not win any round on any of the three cards. Second, in Kevins post fight speach he ADMITS to throwing the punches open hands due to a broke hand. He admits this and acknowledges the eye gouges. Malace? Negligence? We are splitting hairs. It happened undenyably. Third, watch the fight you may sing a different song. Of the hundred or so people I have spoken to not one person has taken your stance that has seen the fight. Last, I am using all resources available to me. Every resource as I did for Baroni and Salmon, and will continue to do when fighting injustice. I am hired because people believe in me. They trust their lives, careers, and futures with me. I assume a duty. I owe them for their trust and confidence. I can not sleep when they can not sleep. Consequences of my actions and what people may think of me are of little concern. The advancement of my clients that is my primary objective. I go to the wall for my guys as an agent, a brother, a father, and sometimes a fan boy, www.MMAagents.com
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| 7/21/08 2:43 AM | |
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KenP
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 4151 MMAagents.com, Sports Agent |
LittleMick - I respect your opinion on this. You follow the train of thought and recognize the hurdles... think more outloud. Develop the thoughts, please.
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| 7/21/08 2:44 AM | |
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KenP
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 4152 MMAagents.com, Sports Agent |
panic686 - Rally dude. Expound.
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| 7/21/08 2:46 AM | |
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KenP
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 4153 MMAagents.com, Sports Agent |
TagaCameron - Radach/Berger was overturned after the event. Radach Berger was in Louisiana I am not familiar with the Dewees fight. I will ask him tomorrow. Wasnt Maynard Emerson ruled a no contest at the official announcement? There was never a change. Did they use replay?
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| 7/21/08 2:53 AM | |
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panic686
Member Since: 3/18/02 Posts: 10932 |
panic686 - Quoting myself just so I can look at what I wrote. When the ref called this fight a tko victory, he was finally aware of the eyepoke. He knew that was what ended the fight but he had already stopped it like he was stopping a tko. I think he worked under the assumption that since he stopped it in a manner that would indicate that the fight was over, that it had to be. However, this can be presented as an error of interpretation. Just because a ref steps in, does not mean the fight has to be over. Refs have stepped in after an illegal blow to keep one fighter from pressing an advantage. I am not explainign this well which is why I should be sleeping but I hope you get an udea of what I am trying to say.
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