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OCJudoTrngCtr - There is not one rule in judo that stipulates the amount of time that a judoka can engage in newaza.
What is stipulated is that progress must be made. Now, the question becomes "Do current judo rules allow enough time for progress to be established?"
There has been some effort in educating referees about what constitutes "progress" from the judo perspective. It seems to be getting better. But if you are looking for judoka to be allowed extended guard/half guard play or attack the turtle without turning the defender over or getting an effective choke in short order...that's not gonna happen.
JoshuaResnick - in recent world cups there have been matches with more than 1:20 in newaza out of the 5 minutes. both players were constantly attacking one another in newaza and there was no moment of a stalemate.
in judo, newaza is expected to be accomplished in a manner that does not become impeded. in other words, if you stall me out even for 3 seconds the ref can/will call matte. if i am doing the technique correctly you will not be able to stall me out for more than a moment... that is just the way judo sees things in newaza.
id much rather have it that way than to watch 10 minutes of a bjj match-- even at a world level.
Truemanc3 - I think if you want to be the best at Judo then just train Judo....
If you want to be a better all around Judoka the do Judo and BJJ.
BJJ has alot to offer in these terms.
Judo rules do not lend themselves to make a Judoka well rounded imo.
The rules need more time on the floor.
In BJJ the score for the takedown needs to be much higher to make those guys work their Judo.
Pulling guard is awful.
Even Freddy Mercury pulled Guard!!
Say no more!!
keseki - Let me get this straight. They train newaza to win with throwing? Their ground skills are equally good but 99% (or whatever the exact figure is) of matches are won standing? Something doesn't add up.
The thread was about Olympic Judo, not clubs. My comment was that ordinary Japanese people like classical judo and don't want to see judo becoming wrestling.
I agree with Joshua Resnick. I don't want to watch BJJ in a judo match.
People like Kimura, Yamashita, Neil Adamas, Flavio Canto who can execute submissions off a throw are the exceptions.
Club players can do whatever they like.