OtherGround Forums Why is Haiti a Shithole??

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6/29/10
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Since some of you are really sure in your opinion of why Haiti is a "shithole" I thought I'd provide a little historical context to help you along.

This site fucking sucks, so you can't embed more than one tweet without it dying. So back to copypasta.

 

Thread: https://twitter.com/KatzOnEarth/status/951656979658870785

 

Lot of folks, from the alt-right to @RichLowry, think they’re making a great argument in the president’s defense tonight by noting that Haiti and El Salvador are, in fact, poor. But they’re just revealing their own racism. Here’s why:

In order to do a victory lap around the GDP difference between, say, Norway and Haiti, you have to know nothing about the history of the world. That includes, especially, knowing nothing real about the history of the United States.

You have to first of all understand nothing about the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade. You have to not understand anything about the systematic theft of African bodies and lives. And you have to not understand how that theft built the wealth we have today in Europe and the US.

You’d have to not know that the French colony that became Haiti provided the wealth that fueled the French Empire — and 2/3 of the sugar and 3/4 of the coffee that Europe consumed. You’d have to not know how rich slave traders got off their system of kidnapping, rape, and murder

You’d have to not realize that Haiti was founded in a revolution against that system, and that European countries and the United States punished them for their temerity by refusing to recognize or trade with them for decades.

You’d have to not know that Haiti got recognition by agreeing to pay 150 million gold francs to French landowners in compensation for their own freedom. You’d have to not know that Haiti paid it, and that it took them almost all of the 19th century to do so.

You’d then have to not know that Haiti was forced to borrow some money to pay back that ridiculous debt, some of it from banks in the United States. And you’d have to not know that in 1914 those banks got President Wilson to send the US Marines to empty the Haitian gold reserve

.@RichLowry would have to not know about the chaos that ensued, and the 19-year US military occupation of Haiti that followed (at a time when the US was invading and occupying much of Central America and the Caribbean).

He and others have to not know about the rest of the 20th century either—the systematic theft and oppression, US support for dictators and coups, the US invasions of Haiti in 1994-95 and 2004 ...

... the use of the IMF and World Bank to impose new loans and destructive trade policies, including the now-famous rice tariff gutting that Bill Clinton apologized for but had been a policy since Reagan, and on and on ...

And you’d have to understand nothing about why the US (under George W. Bush) pushed for and paid a quarter of the UN “stabilization mission” that did little but keep Haiti’s presidents from being overthrown and kill 10,000 people by dumping cholera in its rivers. Etc.

In short, you’d have to know nothing about WHY Haiti is poor (or El Salvador in kind), and WHY the United States (and Norway) are wealthy. But far worse than that, you’d have to not even be interested in asking the question. And that’s where they really tell on themselves ...

Because what they are showing is that they ASSUME that Haiti is just naturally poor, that it’s an inherent state borne of the corruption of the people there, in all senses of the word. And let’s just say out loud why that is: It’s because Haitians are black.

Racists have needed Haiti to be poor since it was founded. They pushed for its poverty. They have celebrated its poverty. They have tried to profit from its poverty. They wanted it to be a shithole. And they still do.

If Haiti is a shithole, then they can say that black freedom and sovereignty are bad. They can hold it up as proof that white countries—and what’s whiter than Norway—are better, because white people are better. They wanted that in 1804, and in 1915, and they want it now.

So if anyone tonight tries to trap you in a contest of “where would you rather live”—or “what about cholera” or “yeah but isn’t poverty bad?”—ask them what they know about how things got that way. And then ask them why they’re ok with it.

 

3 days ago
6/29/10
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3 days ago
6/29/10
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hold on...

3 days ago
6/29/10
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dammnit.

3 days ago
6/29/10
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3 days ago
5/3/07
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because the Clintons reportedly stole 2 billion from there?
3 days ago
1/1/01
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It's a shithole because white Americans are racist.
3 days ago
1/7/08
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Well, you see, there was this thing called the Haitian Revolution and they killed all the white people.  Because the white people were racist, or something.  And since then Haiti has been cursed.  I mean, blessed.  Turns out killing all the white people was exactly what was necessary to turn the former colony into a prosperous independent nation.

3 days ago
6/9/09
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I dont know if its any one thing but a major part is because of rampant corruption from top to bottom.

3 days ago
4/25/13
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This video cracked me up since it is 4 weeks before a earthquake but it still is a giant shithole.

 

3 days ago
1/18/03
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There is a podcast series on the Haitian Revolution by Mike Duncan as part of his "Revolutions" Podcast.

Listen to that series, and it's pretty clear that Haiti was insanely prosperous under the French, and was completely ruined by Haitians.

3 days ago
6/9/09
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Revolution

 

so...essentially this is what happens when you let black people do their own thing.

 

3 days ago
1/1/01
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Haiti is a shithole because it’s full of Haitians.  It could be a beautiful resort island if it were vacated.  Haitians have zero interest in improving their lives, ask any missionary who’s been there.  It’s also entertaining to see to the difference in attitudes between bible thumpers on the way to Haiti be the ones returning to the US from Haiti.  They’re all happy and singing songs on the way there and then exhausted and shell shocked on the way home with the thousand yard stare.

3 days ago
6/9/09
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effinggoof - There is a podcast series on the Haitian Revolution by Mike Duncan as part of his "Revolutions" Podcast.

Listen to that series, and it's pretty clear that Haiti was insanely prosperous under the French, and was completely ruined by Haitians.

http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/2016/04/419-the-history-of-haiti.html

3 days ago
9/3/14
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Man they have a bad rep and unfortunately from vast experienced earned :( All haitians I have ever hired just wanted to bang all the women and work as little as possible.  They are very nice people overall if you want to just chill and stuff but man from a professional level the bad ones make the good ones look really bad. 

3 days ago
1/1/01
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El Salvador and Haiti, both shitholes

Calling them shitholes isn't racist
3 days ago
6/29/10
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Ok, unfucked it. Now go back and read the OP.

3 days ago
10/16/10
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Don't they still have racial caste system?
3 days ago
6/7/05
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How is it even a question if youve ever known anyone whos been there or read about the place?
3 days ago
6/9/09
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MagSlim -

Ok, unfucked it. Now go back and read the OP.

all I'm reading from that crybaby is "blame whitey"

 

let me guess, its whitey's fault Liberia is a fucking shithole too right?

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6/29/10
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sadic1 - How is it even a question if youve ever known anyone whos been there or read about the place?

Because you lived through two US-backed coups in Haiti and don't even realize you're partly responsible for it.

Motherfucking Bill Clinton and W. sent troops there to prop up their various choices (I should say corporations' and our military's choices) of strongman. This isn't even ancient history and you prob don't even know about it.

But you don't care either, so...

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RJJH -
MagSlim -

Ok, unfucked it. Now go back and read the OP.

all I'm reading from that crybaby is "blame whitey"

 

let me guess, its whitey's fault Liberia is a fucking shithole too right?

Well, do you dispute any of his facts?

3 days ago
6/9/09
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MagSlim -
RJJH -
MagSlim -

Ok, unfucked it. Now go back and read the OP.

all I'm reading from that crybaby is "blame whitey"

 

let me guess, its whitey's fault Liberia is a fucking shithole too right?

Well, do you dispute any of his facts?

yes. but it wouldnt matter to you anyways. you already have your mind and agenda made up.

my suggestion? go to Haiti, grab a shovel, and get to work.

3 days ago
6/13/15
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My ex GF handled bank foreclosures in So. Fl. I can say without any hesitation Hatians are the most disgusting dirty people I have ever seen. She handled homes from from all kinds of people and no other group was close to Hatians. The people here have more means then what are living over there. From what I saw it would be hard to imagine things even worse but they must be. Mold, utilities shut off forever, feces dog and human all over etc etc. 

3 days ago
6/29/10
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RJJH -
MagSlim -
RJJH -
MagSlim -

Ok, unfucked it. Now go back and read the OP.

all I'm reading from that crybaby is "blame whitey"

 

let me guess, its whitey's fault Liberia is a fucking shithole too right?

Well, do you dispute any of his facts?

yes. but it wouldnt matter to you anyways. you already have your mind and agenda made up.

my suggestion? go to Haiti, grab a shovel, and get to work.

Well, go on, I'm interested in you disputing the facts of one of the pre-eminent journalists covering Haiti over the last two decades.

Fuck him up dude, do your worst.

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