Member Since: 09/22/2002
"Is there a better system for creating wealth and raising the absolute standard of living for everyone, including the poor?"
perhaps a mix of capitalism and socialism, like in the Scandinavian countries?
"Without the American economy, would Scandanavia be as successful? "
probably not, everything depends in one way or the other on eachother. How succesful would the American Economy have been if it couldn´t have loaned a huge amount of money on very favorable terms from Great Britain and other European countries post WW2 to build up it´s industry?
How succesful would American economy be if the rest of the worlds Economy crashed, or perhaps just only Asias?
How succesful would Americas Econmy be, if there weren´t willing regimes in the thirld world that allowed your companies to outsource the expensive productionpart to their sweatshops?
so if I understand this last argument correct.. that it exists worst places to be, makes a certain system succesful?
So by that standard, the east European countries are succesful aswell, because after all, they are better of there, then in most countries in Africa.
"If a certain system creates a certain % of people which that systems calls on the line of "poverty""
where do you draw that line? Is it arbitrary?
"No, the Gov't does."
But I was asking you personally, since you seem to be ok with where the Govt draws the line.
The Government is made up of and gets their power through the people, the voters.
"I don't see how your question has any relavence to the topic."
because you argued along the lines that "30 mil living in poverty in the US" is a sign of succes, just because there are poorer people elsewhere.
I asked you to explain that position, which atleast to me seemed quite strange.
"I've personally never sat down and calculated income, how many per household and income, utilities, cost of housing, income and health issues, etc... to give some broad, personally contrived quantitative judgment about what constitutes poverty."
I think then that you totally missed my point. I wasn´t asking about this.
"Is it still strange to you? "
Yes, because as I pointed out, your conclusion rests on the (imo) strange premise that a system is succesful aslong it exists worst places to be.
Have I understood you correctly so far?
"I responded by telling you I have not sat down and done the necessary calculations with all the variables to be able to "draw a line". "
Is that necessary? Can´t you have any opinion about this %, without making all that numbercrunching by yourself?
man, am I that bad explaining myself..?
*signs up for more englishlessons*
So having 30 millions of poor people is being successful?
Poor people in the USA have color televisions and feast on McDonalds to the point where they are obese. They live better than kings did 1000 years ago.
The USA is the very definition of economic success.