Happiness Bunny - You train at Goes' gym?
pretty sure nick is a black belt under Goes.
what's up nick!!!
BJ Penn Forever - Goes showed what he had when he fought Henderson, F. Shamrock and Sakuraba.
I think he may be the most underrated fighter in the history of the sport.
He was a stud for sure. The thing is, he lost those fights, but little did he or we the mma community know back then just how bad ass Henderson/Frank/Sakuraba would be.
He fought all of them like a warrior, was in the fight the whole time iirc. I specifically remember his fight with Dan, and it was super close.
Matter of fact, thinking back to Allan/Henderson, that fight was super weird. Goes rocked Dan on the feet, and Dan showed some good grappling and I think even went for a submission. It was like the twilight zone lol.
HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe - His fight with Saku was his best imo. I don't care that he lost.
That fight was a draw, so was the Frank Shamrock bout. The post describing them as losses is incorrect.
Check it out: Allan Goes MMA Record
In fact, Sakuraba said in an interview that he felt like he lost to Goes in their bout. Saku really struggled with the guard and almost got caught in a choke. Frank was forced to use a "rope break" and lose a point to get out of one of Goes' chokes, too.
BJ Penn trained with Goes in the past. I remember he included a guard to a standing opponent in his instructional book and called it the "Goes Guard." I can't remember what it was, though :)
Wasa-B - Did he ever sub anyone from guard in MMA?
Also, when Sak fought him, it was prior to any of the Gracie bouts and I believe an important bout for Sak in his evolution on how to beat BJJ and the guard. His next bout vs Vitor is when he started kicking at the legs of the guard.
For best guards in MMA, I'd have to go with Aoki and Nog.
He didn't sub any big names from guard but he definitely got a few guys. I remember he got Todd Bjornethun in a triangle at Battlecade and the kneebar against Chris West at Rumble on the Rock was off of a pretty roll from half-guard.
So, yeah, I'm not sure his guard is the best ever -- but he was a heck of a fighter in his day.
Dang you're right hackett. It's been so long since I've seen those fights. I remember re-watching the Henderson not too long ago, but now I'm gonna have to go watch those other 2 fights.
Great throwback thread.
Funny, just read the Sherdog article on the history of Vale Tudo before coming across this threa last night. Great article like its JMMA article, of course not talked about much on here: http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/1/Vale-Tudo-A-Rich-Storied-Complex-Past-59571
There was an old Carlson team pic with all the guys pretty young and skinny incl Goes: