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5 days ago
10/5/11
Posts: 4493

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.

5 days ago
9/9/14
Posts: 3192
Jake95 - 

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.


You don't really think that DJ is the same fighter Today that he was in 2011 when he lost to Dom do you?

smh

doesn't work like that my man.

This DJ would kill 2011 version of himself.

it wouldn't even be close.
5 days ago
6/23/09
Posts: 4982

We need a rematch.

 

5 days ago
10/5/11
Posts: 4494
Bojack Horseman -
Jake95 - 

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.


You don't really think that DJ is the same fighter Today that he was in 2011 when he lost to Dom do you?

smh

doesn't work like that my man.

This DJ would kill 2011 version of himself.

it wouldn't even be close.

Fun to play make believe isn't it? You know what I'm going off of? Actual events that transpired.

The fight game doesn't work like that my man.

5 days ago
9/11/11
Posts: 1368
Jake95 -

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.

If GSP lost to Anderson, then went on a 6 year streak with no losses and set the record for title defenses, you bet your ass people would still have him in GOAT discussions. They'd say weight classes exist for a reason.

Coincidentally, this is what people point out about DJ-Cruz. Not even gonna delve into the crazy notion that fighters might actually improve after 6 years, which seems a positively unreasonable idea to you.
5 days ago
12/28/10
Posts: 2712
The real question is can he beat Dom right now? It would definitely be a better scrap the second time around.
5 days ago
1/16/12
Posts: 4200
GrilliamG -
Jake95 -

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.

If GSP lost to Anderson, then went on a 6 year streak with no losses and set the record for title defenses, you bet your ass people would still have him in GOAT discussions. They'd say weight classes exist for a reason.

Coincidentally, this is what people point out about DJ-Cruz. Not even gonna delve into the crazy notion that fighters might actually improve after 6 years, which seems a positively unreasonable idea to you.

Please don't compare GSP compition to DJ. DJ is 125 pounds and his talent pool is shit along with the complexicity of the fighters he's fought.

 

Sorry but only Joseph was his big name win at 125. Everyone else was just there to take a beating.

 

Name me one opponent of DJs that was on the level of GSPs compition 

5 days ago
10/5/11
Posts: 4496
GrilliamG -
Jake95 -

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.

If GSP lost to Anderson, then went on a 6 year streak with no losses and set the record for title defenses, you bet your ass people would still have him in GOAT discussions. They'd say weight classes exist for a reason.

Coincidentally, this is what people point out about DJ-Cruz. Not even gonna delve into the crazy notion that fighters might actually improve after 6 years, which seems a positively unreasonable idea to you.

But there will always be an asterisk. Head to head competition will trump all. Fighters improve, yes. Do you honestly think Cruz hasn't improved as well? Cruz beat MM and I'm sure he would today as well. MM gets starched by TJ or Cody. 

If he's the GOAT a 10lb weight jump shouldn't be the end all for him. He needs to fight Cruz, TJ, or Garbrandt to be in the conversation.

5 days ago
8/22/15
Posts: 3561
Jake95 -

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.

From your statement no one can be considered goat. Anderson lost to Daiju Takase so hes not considered goat. Fedor lost to Henderson so he cant be considered goat. Gsp lost to Serra so he cant be considered goat.
5 days ago
9/28/13
Posts: 52
HatchyMySackie -
Jake95 -

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.

From your statement no one can be considered goat. Anderson lost to Daiju Takase so hes not considered goat. Fedor lost to Henderson so he cant be considered goat. Gsp lost to Serra so he cant be considered goat.

pretty much what i thought after reading the reasoning.

5 days ago
6/23/09
Posts: 4990

Goat arguements are stupid. It's obvisouly between men who are 200 lbs and above.

 

Stop being stupid.

 

5 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 6206

Serra handily beat GSP

5 days ago
9/11/11
Posts: 1369
Acidic -
GrilliamG -
Jake95 -

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.

If GSP lost to Anderson, then went on a 6 year streak with no losses and set the record for title defenses, you bet your ass people would still have him in GOAT discussions. They'd say weight classes exist for a reason.

Coincidentally, this is what people point out about DJ-Cruz. Not even gonna delve into the crazy notion that fighters might actually improve after 6 years, which seems a positively unreasonable idea to you.

Please don't compare GSP compition to DJ. DJ is 125 pounds and his talent pool is shit along with the complexicity of the fighters he's fought.

 

Sorry but only Joseph was his big name win at 125. Everyone else was just there to take a beating.

 

Name me one opponent of DJs that was on the level of GSPs compition 

I'd put Dan Hardy and Matt Serra up against some of DJ's wins, quality wise. Not to mention Uncle Creepy, who was the undisputed #1 Flyweight at the time Johnson beat him.

You gotta realize that GSP had the added benefit of welterweight fighting in a well-established division with recognizable fighters who had been in the UFC for years by the time he came along. DJ, Joe B, and Dodson were some of the only guys who had fought in the UFC before the Flyweight division was introduced, and Johnson's been the champ since.

Look, I don't find most Mighty Mouse fights to be super entertaining, but trying to act like the guy isn't one of the best to have ever done it is silly. Just admit you don't like smaller fighters, it's fine, plenty don't, but these mental gymnastics I see people do to justify their dislike is ridiculous.
5 days ago
7/27/13
Posts: 1755
springfield -

Serra handily beat GSP

at least GSP wanted the rematch

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9/18/17
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As someone who is not much of a fan of DJ after ducking the TJ fight, he should very well be in top 5 GOAT discussion. 

The division talentpool is shallow which makes it hard to say he’s GOAT. But his technical skill is of the highest level in the UFC. Yes, he’s a midget. Yes, he’s boring. Yes, his opponents suck. Yes, he’s kinda a little bitch for ducking higher competition. But you can’t deny technical skill.

 

PS: My first post after lurking for 5 years. Glad to finally make the jump. 

5 days ago
4/28/15
Posts: 6949
HatchyMySackie -
Jake95 -

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.

From your statement no one can be considered goat. Anderson lost to Daiju Takase so hes not considered goat. Fedor lost to Henderson so he cant be considered goat. Gsp lost to Serra so he cant be considered goat.
"Goat" is an absurd fanboy concept that people should let go of.
5 days ago
4/1/10
Posts: 650
Jake95 -

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.

With this logic who could be goat?? John Jones? Not with the steroids. Everyone loses early in their career.
5 days ago
2/17/03
Posts: 9029
Anyone who can't see how much DJ has improved since then knows nothing about fighting.
5 days ago
4/15/09
Posts: 29121
Jake95 -

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.

Yes, 6+ years ago before mighty mouse was training full time.

pfft

5 days ago
5/11/06
Posts: 10714

Dj also lost to Pickett.

 

he fights in literally the weakest non women's division in the sport, guys still absolutely legit but it gets exaggerated by many and ducking the biggest fight of his career was a bad move for public perception.

5 days ago
1/27/14
Posts: 2936
What a shit argument. So he lost to a top all time fighter 7 years ago in a different weight class and you're saying that takes him out of the running for the GOAT? Where's the logic in that?

So if you have a loss basically you can't be the greatest of all time? That's what you're saying because if MM losing to Cruz is such a big deal Silvas loss to Ryo Chonan took him way out of the running I guess
5 days ago
12/27/12
Posts: 20172
Acidic -
GrilliamG -
Jake95 -

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.

If GSP lost to Anderson, then went on a 6 year streak with no losses and set the record for title defenses, you bet your ass people would still have him in GOAT discussions. They'd say weight classes exist for a reason.

Coincidentally, this is what people point out about DJ-Cruz. Not even gonna delve into the crazy notion that fighters might actually improve after 6 years, which seems a positively unreasonable idea to you.

Please don't compare GSP compition to DJ. DJ is 125 pounds and his talent pool is shit along with the complexicity of the fighters he's fought.

 

Sorry but only Joseph was his big name win at 125. Everyone else was just there to take a beating.

 

Name me one opponent of DJs that was on the level of GSPs compition 

Damn this lowered my IQ.

5 days ago
5/30/15
Posts: 931
People like you make me feel really smart.
5 days ago
12/28/14
Posts: 900
Jake95 -
Bojack Horseman -
Jake95 - 

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.


You don't really think that DJ is the same fighter Today that he was in 2011 when he lost to Dom do you?

smh

doesn't work like that my man.

This DJ would kill 2011 version of himself.

it wouldn't even be close.

Fun to play make believe isn't it? You know what I'm going off of? Actual events that transpired.

The fight game doesn't work like that my man.

So by that logic Duffy is number one lightweight?
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2/6/15
Posts: 4063
Jake95 -
Bojack Horseman -
Jake95 - 

No discussion of GOAT for Demetrious. People who say other wise are illogical. If Anderson beat GSP then I guarantee GSP wouldn't be in the GOAT running. 

Cruz is at best considered top 5-10, so why the hell should DJ be GOAT if he lost to Cruz? He's definitely not the best fighter in the world either. Cruz showed that.


You don't really think that DJ is the same fighter Today that he was in 2011 when he lost to Dom do you?

smh

doesn't work like that my man.

This DJ would kill 2011 version of himself.

it wouldn't even be close.

Fun to play make believe isn't it? You know what I'm going off of? Actual events that transpired.

The fight game doesn't work like that my man.

Actual events that have transpired? It was years ago ,do you watch DJ fight? Do you actually think he's the same fighter ? Maybe you just believe that for the sake of a nonexistent argument . No one is saying DJ beat Cruz years ago before 125 event existed (If I recall) .  

 

GSP nearly lost to BJ Penn so he was elimnated from goat discussion  anyway I guess.