UnderGround Forums Cyborg implies she's women's GOAT, not Joanna

5/17/17 1:26 PM
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"Joanna is a great athlete and an example of what the UFC machine can do in terms of promotion and marketing,” Cyborg told MMA Fighting. “Of my last five fights, three were on Fight Pass. Joanna fought once on Fight Pass, was on the TV show Ultimate Fighter, and she normally fights as co-main event under fighters like (Conor) McGregor and Ronda (Rousey). You can do a lot of marketing over any athlete, but I’m the only athlete, men or women, that finished 90 percent of her fights by knockout."

"Who’s the best MMA fighter of all times, I always left that for fans to decide,” she continued. "Media can influence some fans, but the truth always appears, as it did with the American hero Ronda Rousey."

"My UFC debut was a year ago, but, in reality, I’ve already fought five fights on my UFC contract,” Cyborg said. "If the UFC would’ve given me my belt just like they did with Ronda Rousey, I would have broken the record of title defenses already. I’m undefeated for 10 years and I’m a world champion, to take this title someone has to defeat me.”

http://www.mmafighting.com/2017/5/17/15646596/joanna-jedrzejczyk-greatest-of-all-times-cris-cyborg-weighs-in-ufc

5/17/17 1:26 PM
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Popped twice. Don't think so.

5/17/17 1:39 PM
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Too bad Rhonda wouldn't fight Cyborg. Cyborg would've ended it in the first and everyone would know she is the wmma goat. 

5/17/17 1:43 PM
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goat at testing positive

5/17/17 1:45 PM
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Cyborg bothers me so much...

5/17/17 1:50 PM
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Well, if the fans get to decide, my vote is she is not the GOAT. RR is, for now. JJ will take the title of GOAT with a few more wins. Could do it sooner with some definitive finishes in the next couple of fights.

5/17/17 1:50 PM
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Cyborg bothers me so much...

Agree. It's like she is completely oblivious to the fact that she cheated her entire career and the amount of roids she took gave her a HUGE advantage over regular women

5/17/17 1:54 PM
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She's undefeated for a long time, but against whom?

The overall quality of her opponents has been highly dubious IMO. That's not her fault, but I think it puts things into context.

5/17/17 1:55 PM
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Delusional and waste of a career. 

5/17/17 2:06 PM
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Joanna champion will be the women's goat if she keeps on the path she's on. 

 

I honestly think the average skill level is too low to start debating who the greatest of all time may be. Going down that road with any one female leads to people looking foolish like many of us did with Ronda. 

There are certainly some question marks on cyborgs career... she's super dominant, but fights in a very shallow featherweight division, often against smaller women, and has been repeatedly associated with steroid abuse. She's the first female fighter that I think could whoop men of her weight division, but I have to attribute that to steroids as much as skill. 

 

Joanna has been a pleasure to watch in every outing, and is clearly a masterful striker, but again suffers from being a big fish in a small pond- WMMA is still a young aspect to the sport, but they will catch up someday, and the greats of this era will be thought of as pioneers. We don't think of prime mark Coleman, don frye, and dan Severn based on how they would fare today- we admire their dominance in their era and debate modern greats. 

5/17/17 2:14 PM
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She has a loss as well and no world championships outside of MMA. Plus obviously the steroid issue from a few years ago. I'll even give a pass on last year as it was "ok'd" by usada.

JJ is winning with skill not brute force. This of course does not mean Cris has no skills but anyone who thinks she is wins in the same fashion if she was the same size as her opponents is willfully ignorant.

She hasn't fought anyone outside of Carano who was similar size and skill period. Not her fault of course but we are talking goat status and when you have dominant champions you have to look at everything. Cris however is clearly the goat of 145.
5/17/17 2:16 PM
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Entire career is asterixed as fuck.
5/17/17 2:30 PM
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Popped twice, stripped of a title and beat up smaller women for the past 8 years. Stop. Just stop. 

5/17/17 2:36 PM
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Fight someone of significance before crowning yourself Goat. Also steroids.
5/17/17 2:42 PM
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It reminds me of Gracchus's comment about Commodus from Gladiator:

"He enters Rome like a conquering hero. But what has he conquered?"

5/17/17 2:55 PM
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Tired of reading about GOAT talk. The sport has only been alive x amount of years. It evolves way too fast to be talking about GOATs all the time.
5/17/17 3:43 PM
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Fallon Fox is the GOAT
5/17/17 3:56 PM
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Lol @ you nerds using steroids as an excuse that she's not.... Completely oblivious to the fact that they are all on, or have been on the sauce at some point. She was just dumb enough to get caught.

5/17/17 3:57 PM
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It reminds me of Gracchus's comment about Commodus from Gladiator:

"He enters Rome like a conquering hero. But what has he conquered?"

In fairness, it's WMMA..... Who have any of them beat? The skill level is so far below men it's not even funny. 

5/17/17 4:16 PM
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5/17/17 4:27 PM
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I'm starting to think that Faggot420 IS Cyborg. Notice how that retard is always faggot on the spot when it comes to defending that cheating swine .Calls people nerds (sounds like a foriegn translation since nobody in the USA uses that term anymore) who dare to suggest the The Borg has cheated her whole career . It's pretty obvious that "she" has. 

Can't

Let

Idiots

Tell

Everyone that they are

Nerds since 

It's obvious that 

She has cheated the whole time !

 

 

 

5/17/17 4:44 PM
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P4P #1 GOAT female weight cutter

5/17/17 4:56 PM
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NorthSouthDinner4Two - Fallon Fox is the GOAT
Greatest of all trannies?
5/17/17 5:51 PM
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Hate420 -

Lol @ you nerds using steroids as an excuse that she's not.... Completely oblivious to the fact that they are all on, or have been on the sauce at some point. She was just dumb enough to get caught.

Well you can't be the goat if you're the only one who gets caught. Thinking it shouldn't matter because "they all are" just means you're trolling, a fanboy or an idiot.

Failing a drug test matters. You can't be the goat if you are caught cheating. Plain and simple. Especially when the others in the conversation have not.
5/17/17 5:52 PM
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Hate420 -

Lol @ you nerds using steroids as an excuse that she's not.... Completely oblivious to the fact that they are all on, or have been on the sauce at some point. She was just dumb enough to get caught.

Yet she is the only one who has the build of a male athlete ?