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4/19/17 10:27 AM
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Confirmed: UFC fighter Tae Hyun Bang involved in big fight-fixing scandal

 April 19, 2017 6:37 am by Tom Taylor

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Back in November of 2015, Tae Hyun Bang stepped onto the canvas with Leo Kuntz. He did so on the undercard of a UFC Fight Night in Seoul, in his native South Korea.

In the end, Bang and Kuntz’s fight went down as a fairly forgettable one, with Bang earning a close, split decision win. The final hours before this fight, however, stand out in the memory as some seriously suspect ones.

If you had your finger on the pulse of the fight game back then, you’ll remember that, in the hours leading up to Bang and Kuntz’s fights, there was a massive swing in the odds in Kuntz’s favor. This wasn’t a small, last-minute change, but an unprecedented transformation in the odds, which immediately raised eyebrows amongst the more discerning members of the MMA community.

While there was no way to prove that we were witnessing the signs of fight-fixing at the time, it sure seemed that way. It seemed as though somebody, or perhaps many people, with inside knowledge of the situation – knowing perhaps that Bang was badly injured or that he was going  to throw the fight – were putting massive sums down on Kuntz. This drastically changed the complexion of the betting odds, as they were adjusted to reflect new confidence in a Kuntz win.

 

4/19/17 10:27 AM
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There were red flags everywhere.

But then Bang won the fight, which immediately clashed with all of the fight-fixing accusations that had burbled to the surface in the buildup to his fight. The odds had swung in Kuntz’s favor, which meant that if anybody was going to throw the fight, it was going to be Bang. But he won, and so suddenly, there was far less reason to cry fix.

As it turns out, however, anyone who was skeptical of the massive odds swing in the buildup to this fight was right. This week, it has been reported by multiple sources that a nameless South Korean UFC fighter is currently involved in a police investigation stemming from this card. BJPenn.com’s Chris Taylor has confirmed with a source with knowledge of the situation that this fighter is indeed Tae Hyun Bang. Taylor also acquired some new details on the situation.

Here are the details as they stand now, as per our source:

 

In the buildup to the fight, Bang got involved with some gangsters, who convinced him to throw the fight. These gangsters, who the South Korean police are calling “gambling brokers”, then bet a massive 200 million Won (roughly $176,000 USD) on Kuntz. Bang, meanwhile, was paid 100 million Won to take the fall. He then bet half of this sum (roughly $44,000 USD) on Kuntz. All in all, it is estimated that the nefarious parties involved in this underhanded betting scandal wagered close to $2 million USD on Kuntz. This massive betting on Kuntz is what swung the odds so significantly in his favor.

Unsurprisingly, this shady, last-minute odds-shift caught the attention of the UFC, who quickly began questioning Bang. Realizing that he was essentially screwed either way, Bang then decided to fight to win, rather than throw the fight. The result of this change of heart was his split decision defeat of Kuntz.

In the fallout of this ugly ordeal, Bang has reportedly received multiple death threats from the shadowy villains who pushed him into taking a fall, who are unsurprisingly not pleased that he didn’t hold up his end of the deal. As a result, he has come clean to South Korean police, and is now embroiled in an investigation surrounding the incident.

Since this incident occurred, Bang has fought once more, giving up a decision to Nick Hein. The UFC has not yet commented on the situation, but given that this is the first verifiable instance of fight fixing in the promotion’s history, they’re bound to release a statement soon.

4/19/17 11:03 AM
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You got to wonder howmany more fights have been fixed 

4/19/17 11:09 AM
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Let him Bang, bro. 

4/19/17 11:19 AM
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fight fixing fail imo

4/19/17 11:46 AM
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SensoriaUtopia -

This seems like a isolated case, 2 of the lower level guys on the roster that no one gives a fuck about, from the article ufc had zero to do wtih this, this was more just Bang getting caught up in the mob world and then being told to throw the fight

 

maybe there are a few fights fixed that we dont know about, but this really seems like a unqiue one off deal

Are you saying those 2 guys are the only two low paid, low level fighters on the UFC roster? lol, yeah those UFC fighters make the big bucks, no way they can get pursuaded by anyone in Vegas.....

Edited: 4/19/17 10:12 PM
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Probably happens more often than people would like to admit. Matt Hughes and Jeremy Horn were banned from ADCC for throwing a match trying to get a bonus. UFC is full of drug addicts, sociopaths and criminals with almost all of them struggling for money. It"s not far fetched to imagine some of these boring sparring sessions called fights are guys betting against themselves or these sloppy brawls betweeng former training partners wanting to split a FOTN bonus. I doubt Zuffa had guys throwing fights since they"re able to use selective matchmaking to help get the results they desire but when half your roster is on food stamps then don"t be shocked when they"re doing shady shit for extra money.

4/19/17 12:10 PM
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I'm sure fighters taking a dive sometimes happens, but I doubt it's that common.  Aside from the setback a loss can do to your career, if you get caught like this guy, you're basically fucked for life in terms of fighting.

 

It's just not worth the risk if you have any real aspirations of fighting professionally.

4/19/17 12:17 PM
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jTheHybridwolff -

You got to wonder howmany more fights have been fixed 

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Edited: 4/19/17 1:16 PM
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This thread is really just an excuse to highlight "Bang n' Kuntz", isn't it?
 

4/19/17 1:25 PM
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SensoriaUtopia -

This seems like a isolated case, 2 of the lower level guys on the roster that no one gives a fuck about, from the article ufc had zero to do wtih this, this was more just Bang getting caught up in the mob world and then being told to throw the fight

 

maybe there are a few fights fixed that we dont know about, but this really seems like a unqiue one off deal

Are you saying those 2 guys are the only two low paid, low level fighters on the UFC roster? lol, yeah those UFC fighters make the big bucks, no way they can get pursuaded by anyone in Vegas.....

Well i guess all fights are fixed. If one does it they all do.
4/19/17 1:36 PM
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i guaruntee theres been at least 20 fights that were fixed. too many low paid fighters or fighters looking to cash out. not saying UFC is doing it, but fighters sandbag to lose on purpose.

if you make a shitty $20,000 and you're a 7-1 favorite,whos to say you dont bet that shitty $20,000 against yourself,go out there and "spar" your opponant losing a boring decision,and cashing out $140,000.......

now imagine if you make alot more money and do the same shit? yes, its happened.

4/19/17 1:36 PM
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Wouldn't surprise me to eventually read a story about judges with some of the head scratching moments.

4/19/17 1:44 PM
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You got to wonder howmany more fights have been fixed 

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I would be pretty convinced if Rumble didn't have such a history of being a self-sabotaging headcase in the cage

4/19/17 1:48 PM
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BrckNoHitBk - 

Wouldn't surprise me to eventually read a story about judges with some of the head scratching moments.


And we could all easily throw out one judge's name who 's decisions have been questioned multiple times -- yet he still gets some kind of respect from part of the fighters due to his film industry connections.  Shameful.

4/19/17 1:52 PM
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4/19/17 1:56 PM
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lol classic

4/19/17 1:57 PM
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If he dove why would he go for the leg lock?
4/19/17 2:41 PM
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It happens, and it will continue to happen. These fighters are being underpaid, and the lure of extra money on the side is always there. Happens more than you think..boxing is the worst when it comes to this, but the disease is getting more prevalent in MMA. Money makes most men corrupt..The gambling world controls sports. MMA was the exception for a little while, but now they have them by the balls too. Not just fighters either, it can be the refs, the judges, or the fighters themselves. Depending on how much money is riding on it for Vegas, they will invest as much as they need to get the result they want. 

4/19/17 2:46 PM
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Prob happens every card. why not dive and put your money on your opponent, especially if you are making crappy pay. Like if your a 3 to 1 favorite why not bet 50 k on your opponent, spar ,fail a few takedowns, get trapped in a easy sub and collect 150k.
4/19/17 3:26 PM
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"Bang, meanwhile, was paid 100 million Won to take the fall. He then bet half of this sum (roughly $44,000 USD) on Kuntz."

At least that's what he told everyone. It would have been an awesome move if he told the gangsters that he'd take the fall so that they would bet big on Kuntz and move the betting line. Then take all that cash and put it on yourself, go out and hammer the dude.
4/19/17 3:49 PM
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TOAO - Prob happens every card. why not dive and put your money on your opponent, especially if you are making crappy pay. Like if your a 3 to 1 favorite why not bet 50 k on your opponent, spar ,fail a few takedowns, get trapped in a easy sub and collect 150k.

.. selling it isn't hard. Probably has happened in many fights, but most go undetected because in MMA it isn't hard to sell. The only ones that raise eyebrows are the ones that are blatant and badly played. The way Rumble kept going for takedowns in his last fight with D.C. was a red flag too. In a fight he's winning, has D.C. in front of him with a broken nose, he suddenly goes to his weakness and DC's strength for no reason? Refuses to throw punches..Lol..his bread and butter! DC didn't even initiate the clinch.. stuff like that goes unnoticed, and ppl chalk it up to coincidence, but a more trained eye sees the moment a fighter throws a fight. Tendencies they change for no reason at all that play against them in a fight..smh

 

Rumble knew it was his last fight.. why wouldn't he take money on the side to drop one? 

4/19/17 4:07 PM
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Seems like an isolated incident
4/19/17 4:13 PM
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Please kill yourself.

4/19/17 4:18 PM
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Poor ken, at least attempt the fall after being hit, not before lol