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3/29/13 9:47 AM
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Jackson's MMA critical over long round at WSoF 2

 

Saturday at WSoF 2, during Andrei Arlovski vs. Anthony Johnson, the first round appeared to last 8-9 seconds longer than the mandated five minutes. Mixed martial arts is a game that is won from a strike or submission being a fraction of an inch into the right place, and as well seconds matter. In this case, Arlovksi received a damaging blow after the five minute mark, and ended up losing a three round decision.

Arlovski's team, Jackson's MMA, posted a complaint, via Facebook.

Jackson's MMA
Tuesday at 12:13am near Albuquerque, NM

The NJ athletic commission was worried about the World Series of Fighting getting a new canvas and new corner pads for the cage they almost canceled the fight Saturday night. Unfortunately they forgot to get a time keeper that was trained properly. 1st round 5min 8 sec in the Andrei fight. A devastating blow was landed after the 5min mark. It's amazing how so much time is spent with over regulating but the simple things can cost dearly.

 
3/29/13 9:55 AM
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Completely justified complaint here. Those 8 seconds changed the fight entirely.
3/29/13 9:57 AM
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Death Beast - Completely justified complaint here. Those 8 seconds changed the fight entirely.

I agree with this 100%. That knock down changed the scores drastically, and if it happened after the round was suppose to end it's bullshit
3/29/13 10:01 AM
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Should be a No Contest
3/29/13 10:07 AM
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Death Beast - Completely justified complaint here. Those 8 seconds changed the fight entirely.

I agree with this 100%. That knock down changed the scores drastically, and if it happened after the round was suppose to end it's bullshit
This.

There is no excuse for something like that to happen. Phone Post
3/29/13 10:08 AM
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Maybe they round down like Quebec? Phone Post
3/29/13 10:09 AM
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Ugh, another reason why I have a hard time enjoying the minor leagues. Everything feels so... tacky.
3/29/13 10:26 AM
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This should never happen, but especially at this level. Bush league bull shit.
3/29/13 10:28 AM
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Deuce77 - Would've been the same outcome.

How do you even come to this conclusion? In a decision fight, a knock down and beating after it like that affects judges. And if all of it was illegal, as they say there are no take backs. A judge saw what a judge saw, regardless of if you tell them to ignore it, which didn't even happen here.
3/29/13 10:33 AM
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How does 8 extra seconds prevent Andrei from defending himself? You fight til the bell rings. Shit happens. It shouldn't happen, but it does

3/29/13 10:43 AM
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lol, common... its fighting, you defend yourself for 8 secs or 8 mins longer if you have too
3/29/13 10:47 AM
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Daverr - 
lol, common... its fighting, you defend yourself for 8 secs or 8 mins longer if you have too

Andre did defend himself once knocked down. You are by passing the exit to the point.

Had the bell rang when it should have, the ref would have stopped the round and andre would never have taken the hit and been knocked down. The judges would have scored the round very differently, and in a fight that went to judges score cards that 8 seconds meant a world of difference imo
3/29/13 10:48 AM
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TheIronCodpiece - 

How does 8 extra seconds prevent Andrei from defending himself? You fight til the bell rings. Shit happens. It shouldn't happen, but it does


This makes 0 sense about the point of this thread
3/29/13 10:51 AM
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Daverr - 
lol, common... its fighting, you defend yourself for 8 secs or 8 mins longer if you have too

c'mon, it's fighting, get poked in the eye, headbutted, bitten, kicked in the nads....
3/29/13 10:53 AM
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Kamakosmo - 
TheIronCodpiece - 

How does 8 extra seconds prevent Andrei from defending himself? You fight til the bell rings. Shit happens. It shouldn't happen, but it does


Not the point!

They are two Worldclass fighters going at it, and Johnson got in a shot that broke his jaw...8 SECONDS after he should have. Arlovski was still fighting, but Johnson got in a shot.
They both should have been sitting on their chairs when that punch was thrown.

Don't be ridiculous.

My bad. I read through it faster than I should have and misunderstood what was being said. Doesn't change the fact that shit happens. It's like Falcao/Harris. They didn't count that tap, because the time-keeper went on longer than 5 minutes. I'm sure the time keeper was doing the best he could  with "One-Mississippi-Two" but fumbled it a few times, thinking no one would notice

3/29/13 10:56 AM
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Daverr - 
lol, common... its fighting, you defend yourself for 8 secs or 8 mins longer if you have too

Andre did defend himself once knocked down. You are by passing the exit to the point.

Had the bell rang when it should have, the ref would have stopped the round and andre would never have taken the hit and been knocked down. The judges would have scored the round very differently, and in a fight that went to judges score cards that 8 seconds meant a world of difference imo
Not to mention the damaged it caused to Andrei, what with having his jaw broken and all. Those 8 seconds may have permanent and devastating repercussions for that man in there future. Phone Post
3/29/13 11:03 AM
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It's not Anthony's fault by any means but it sucks for AA Phone Post
3/29/13 11:05 AM
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UGCTT_AdamD - 
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Daverr - 
lol, common... its fighting, you defend yourself for 8 secs or 8 mins longer if you have too

Andre did defend himself once knocked down. You are by passing the exit to the point.

Had the bell rang when it should have, the ref would have stopped the round and andre would never have taken the hit and been knocked down. The judges would have scored the round very differently, and in a fight that went to judges score cards that 8 seconds meant a world of difference imo
Not to mention the damaged it caused to Andrei, what with having his jaw broken and all. Those 8 seconds may have permanent and devastating repercussions for that man in there future. Phone Post

Good point
3/29/13 11:06 AM
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wow that's some ghetto shit right there.  

3/29/13 11:07 AM
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TuLegit -  It's not Anthony's fault by any means but it sucks for AA Phone Post

I completely agree, it's not Anthony's fault at all. It's not a fighters job to keep a mental clock in their head and stop on their own. It's the time keepers fault, and the promotions fault, and should be ruled a NC
3/29/13 11:13 AM
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Deuce77 - Would've been the same outcome.

No way to know that... Arlovski was obviously very hurt after the damage that he took after the first round should have ended, and that obviously impacted how the rest of the fight played out.

3/29/13 11:16 AM
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"Mixed martial arts is a game that is won from a strike or submission being a fraction of an inch into the right place, and as well seconds matter."

3/29/13 11:16 AM
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What happened to "protect yourself at all times"? Thank Zuffa for helping make MMA legit, but I miss the no time limit NHB fights of old. I guess NC is the correct solution, but it just shows how contrived having rounds in free fights is.
3/29/13 11:24 AM
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Also MMA doesn't have an equivalent of "a fighter can't be saved by the bell", AFAIK. You can have a RNC fully on a fighter 10 seconds before the round ends, and if he doesn't tap, or nap in those 10 seconds, he/she is saved by the bell/horn/chimes. Find that also a little silly.
3/29/13 11:25 AM
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Kamakosmo - 
TSMontana - What happened to "protect yourself at all times"? Thank Zuffa for helping make MMA legit, but I miss the no time limit NHB fights of old. I guess NC is the correct solution, but it just shows how contrived having rounds in free fights is.

What da fuq does this mean?

Anyone?

This thread has really brought out the meatheads...no offense

Clarified in next post.