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KB vs. MT: The fight that changed history

 

The UG Blog is proud to showcase the work of guest blogger Lawrence Kenshin. His focus is on striking, notably the application of striking in MMA. Here he does a breakdown - his longest ever - of the first American Kickboxing vs. Muay Thai bout that was broadcast to a wide audience.

The vlog was inspired by a piece at MuayThaiPros.com that detailed the importance of Rick Roufus vs. Changpuek Kietsongrit.

“I really changed my opinion after I saw my brother Rick fight Thailand’s Chuengpuek," said famed MMA trainer Duke Roufus later. "I did an interview after the fight and put down the leg kicks, and said that they did not require much skill. I went to a few seminars that used leg kicks and it changed my mind very quickly.”

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5/15/14 10:19 PM
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Will watch Phone Post 3.0
5/15/14 10:40 PM
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Didn't they end up in the same hospital room that night

5/15/14 10:52 PM
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5/15/14 10:59 PM
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Ttt Phone Post 3.0
5/15/14 11:01 PM
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Good video Phone Post 3.0
5/15/14 11:16 PM
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Awesome video. Before my time. Thanks for sharing. Great to see the roots. Phone Post 3.0
5/15/14 11:19 PM
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Great video! Gotta respect both of'em. It's amazing how far we've come lol.... "You can't win a fight with leg kicks" - Rampage
5/15/14 11:20 PM
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My how times have changed. Great video.
5/15/14 11:22 PM
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Cool video. Duke was clearly quite upset with damage his brother took. It's clear that if more rules are required to make a particular style more effective then it is not the more effective style.
5/15/14 11:29 PM
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5/15/14 11:32 PM
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thanks for video. Fights like this changed striking to this day.
5/15/14 11:42 PM
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Awesome video that thai guy was tough man he took some shots in that first round. Phone Post 3.0
5/16/14 12:38 AM
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Thanks op VU Phone Post 3.0
5/16/14 1:33 AM
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Check out Manson Gibson VS Kiatsongrit for an American beating a Thai, twice, in that era.
Kiatsongrit also fought full contact Karate in Japan in the pre-cursor to what became K1. He was fighting heavy weights. I think it was called Seido Kai Kan from memory. I think Maurice Smith might have fought in it too.
5/16/14 1:55 AM
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very cool ! thanks OP
5/16/14 2:09 AM
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Great Phone Post 3.0
5/16/14 2:14 AM
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Subd Phone Post 3.0
5/16/14 3:07 AM
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69stang - Check out Manson Gibson VS Kiatsongrit for an American beating a Thai, twice, in that era.
Kiatsongrit also fought full contact Karate in Japan in the pre-cursor to what became K1. He was fighting heavy weights. I think it was called Seido Kai Kan from memory. I think Maurice Smith might have fought in it too.

IIRC, Seido is an offshoot of Kyokushin which still had no punching to the head? Andy Hug came from Seido i think

5/16/14 3:08 AM
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If American KB did not have leg kicking until after this, what about Japanese KB since it was largely derived from Kyokushin which had leg kicks, correct?
5/16/14 3:13 AM
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impressed with how mature 18-year-old Duke was. he was upset and probably angry but he was calm about it.

great vid with awesome analysis.
5/16/14 3:18 AM
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No disrespect to any of the old American style kick boxers but there was always something clinical inside of me that liked to see them get worked with leg kicks. To see a flashy style get defeated by simplicity.
5/16/14 3:21 AM
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I also remember seeing some modified rules bouts in those days that allowed clinching but no knees. Inside leg kicks were allowed. It was an awkward looking clinch to say the least
5/16/14 4:17 AM
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That was pretty fucking fantastic! I am really glad I watched that.

5/16/14 6:26 AM
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Great viewing. Absolute heart and pride from Roufus surviving as long as he did, must have been horrifying.

And how his legs would have felt in the days and weeks after makes me cringe.

Carnage. Phone Post 3.0