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Source: Who has the best cardio in MMA? Easy, Duane Ludwig

 
According to a recent study Ludwig was #1 in UFC history when it comes to best cardio. No GSP, Fitch, MM, Velasquez, or Edgar in the top 10? Yet they have JDS in the top 10. What kind of joke is this? They also have listed Tiequan Zhang as the worst cardio in the UFC really? and Volkmann is also in the top 6 with worst cardio.
1/9/13 11:49 PM
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Nick Diaz IMO.

1/9/13 11:52 PM
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Diaz should be at the top, but I think Edgar should take it or MM

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Significant Strikes per Minute being a metric for "Cardio"? Get real.
1/9/13 11:59 PM
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How can you even measure that based in what they do in mma, & not some head to head endurance competition?
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dysorder - Significant Strikes per Minute being a metric for "Cardio"? Get real.
If that's a swipe at Nick, lets are some other fighters place in triathlons. Phone Post
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Bendo has to be up there. Dude can literally go 10 rounds. Phone Post
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What in the blue hell?

I measure cardio based on output all around until the end of a fight. I certainly do not have Ludwig anywhere near that list.

Then again, wtf do I know, I'm a dog.

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That stat is for strikers, not grapplers.
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I love statistics and I love striking but the rationale behind this 'best cardio' claim is just ridiculous.
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Brian Rule - I love statistics and I love striking but the rationale behind this 'best cardio' claim is just ridiculous.

This. MMA=Kickboxing and let's hope no one notices?!? 

 

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Hominick

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Benson Henderson

Clay Guida

Frank Edgar

Georges St PIerre

Carlos Condit

Nick Diaz

most of the guys below 155

 

Can't really think of anyone above 170 with exceptional cardio. Cain probably, although it didn't look so hot in his last fight.

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My vote is Guida. He can fight a round full of scrambles for positioning, be put in bad positions that he has to fight out of and always gets up bouncing around the cage when 99% of guys would have their hands on their hips.
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nowaydo - That stat is for strikers, not grapplers.
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I'm sorry but brain fade, who is mm? Phone Post
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smags - I'm sorry but brain fade, who is mm? Phone Post
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Edgar. Dudes a machine Phone Post
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Bisping up there for best cardio Phone Post
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First we must define what "good cardio" is. What's it based on?

I'd say the following criteria applies. And lets make an easy 10 point scale. 1 being worst, 10 being insanely good.

1. Standing "wrestling" stamina (greco-roman, judo, clinch work, et al)

2. Striking stamina (Boxing, Muay Thai, et al)

3. Ground grappling stamina (BJJ, freestyle wresting, positioning, et al)

4. Recovery between rounds (very apparent if a fighter is trying to recover from a bad round)

5. Recovery from taking a solid strike.

Now we must apply this to fighters. I'll attempt to do so on a few fighters with notable cardio.

Heavyweight: Cain Velasquez.  Based on his fights.

1. Standing "wresting" stamina:  6.

2. Striking stamina: 8. (He punches a lot, but not always full power punches, and he was visibly tired vs. JDS last time out)

3. Ground grappling stamina: 10.

4. Recovery between rounds: 7.

5. Recovery from taking a solid strike: 7.

Overall: 7.6

Welterweight. George St. Pierre. Based on his fights.

1. Standing "wresting" stamina:  9.

2. Striking stamina: 9.

3. Ground grappling stamina: 10.

4. Recovery between rounds: 9.

5. Recovery from taking a solid strike: 9.

Overall: 9.6

Feel free to add on to this. a 10 on the scale should only be given if he has the best cardio, bar none, in his weightclass. 5 would be avewrage for the weightclass. I don't think anyone in the UFC would be a 1 or even a 2.

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I don't know what the criteria is. Unless it is purely based on strikes/minute, I don't know how Ludwig is even in contention.
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wonder what Hoyce's significant strikes per minute was?
1/10/13 1:41 PM
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Calavaro -

First we must define what "good cardio" is. What's it based on?

I'd say the following criteria applies. And lets make an easy 10 point scale. 1 being worst, 10 being insanely good.

1. Standing "wrestling" stamina (greco-roman, judo, clinch work, et al)

2. Striking stamina (Boxing, Muay Thai, et al)

3. Ground grappling stamina (BJJ, freestyle wresting, positioning, et al)

4. Recovery between rounds (very apparent if a fighter is trying to recover from a bad round)

5. Recovery from taking a solid strike.

Now we must apply this to fighters. I'll attempt to do so on a few fighters with notable cardio.

Heavyweight: Cain Velasquez.  Based on his fights.

1. Standing "wresting" stamina:  6.

2. Striking stamina: 8. (He punches a lot, but not always full power punches, and he was visibly tired vs. JDS last time out)

3. Ground grappling stamina: 10.

4. Recovery between rounds: 7.

5. Recovery from taking a solid strike: 7.

Overall: 7.6

Welterweight. George St. Pierre. Based on his fights.

1. Standing "wresting" stamina:  9.

2. Striking stamina: 9.

3. Ground grappling stamina: 10.

4. Recovery between rounds: 9.

5. Recovery from taking a solid strike: 9.

Overall: 9.6

Feel free to add on to this. a 10 on the scale should only be given if he has the best cardio, bar none, in his weightclass. 5 would be avewrage for the weightclass. I don't think anyone in the UFC would be a 1 or even a 2.

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orcus -

Benson Henderson

Clay Guida

Frank Edgar

Georges St PIerre

Carlos Condit

Nick Diaz

most of the guys below 155

 

Can't really think of anyone above 170 with exceptional cardio. Cain probably, although it didn't look so hot in his last fight.

Gustafson maybe Phone Post