UnderGround Forums Mike Winkeljohn on kicks to the knee

6/19/18 11:42 AM
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Wink: "I definitely have my fighters throw a front kick to the knee. I see it as a very legit technique and not nearly as dangerous as punching or kicking someone in the head. I believe it is starting to add a new dynamic to the game because fighters have to worry about their base being taken out of their attacks even more than before. I also would rather have dinner in twenty years with a fighter who limps into the restaurant than with the fighter who can't remember his own name, because he never stopped his opponent's striking advances. The knee joint is very strong if people know how to defend that kick properly."
6/19/18 11:51 AM
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Silva and jones mastered this techic

6/19/18 11:59 AM
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People only get mad when Jones does it. Condit, Anderson, Cowboy, Vera, and many others use it, but UGers only whine when it’s him. Great technique that hasn’t caused any major injuries
6/19/18 12:05 PM
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I like it as a technique. Was taught it right at the start and always used it. It's very rarely dangerous. 

6/19/18 12:11 PM
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FrontBroRian - People only get mad when Jones does it. Condit, Anderson, Cowboy, Vera, and many others use it, but UGers only whine when it’s him. Great technique that hasn’t caused any major injuries

Not really, the reason it’s come back into the spotlight is because Romero’s knee kicks kept Whitaker out for a year and he came back and used them against Romero.

6/19/18 12:16 PM
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tapestry - 
FrontBroRian - People only get mad when Jones does it. Condit, Anderson, Cowboy, Vera, and many others use it, but UGers only whine when it’s him. Great technique that hasn’t caused any major injuries

Not really, the reason it’s come back into the spotlight is because Romero’s knee kicks kept Whitaker out for a year and he came back and used them against Romero.


You mean the knee that was injured going into the fight?

“In the interview, Whittaker also revealed that he suffered a "strain" on the same knee four weeks out from UFC 213, but thought he would be in good enough condition to compete on it.”
6/19/18 12:57 PM
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Its a BS technique and fighters know damn well that fighting is determential to your brain. To they not throw head strikes at their gym during sparring?  You could permantley disable someone with that kick.

6/19/18 1:01 PM
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Ganjah Luv - 

Its a BS technique and fighters know damn well that fighting is determential to your brain. To they not throw head strikes at their gym during sparring?  You could permantley disable someone with that kick.


The technique has been used for decades. Tell us about all these permanently disabled fighters
6/19/18 1:03 PM
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George Mcmaken for one. Had knee repcement last year.

6/19/18 1:07 PM
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Ganjah Luv - 

George Mcmaken for one. Had knee repcement last year.


Link to story that kick caused this detrimental career ending injury?
6/19/18 2:07 PM
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Seems odd that you can hit someone as hard as you want to vital organs such as the brain or heart but a kick to the knee has people concerned.  

6/19/18 2:10 PM
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stevekt -

Seems odd that you can hit someone as hard as you want to vital organs such as the brain or heart but a kick to the knee has people concerned.  

Kick to the knee is easier to land 

6/19/18 2:12 PM
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I just can't follow the logic of anyone who likes mma but opposes this particular move.

6/19/18 2:13 PM
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I think its back in the news because of Wonderboy,  not so much Whittaker

6/19/18 2:51 PM
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Dirty technique. 

6/19/18 3:11 PM
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Awesome technique!!!!

6/19/18 4:22 PM
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Sexy technique!

Edited: 6/19/18 4:34 PM
6/18/16
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I got no problem with it, as long as he doesn't kick someone to hard!!! Because that would hurt..

6/19/18 4:45 PM
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Its a dirty technique that can take a fighter out of the game for months, years, or forever possibly.

Absolutely hate that shit.
6/19/18 4:47 PM
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RenzoStudent2004 - Its a dirty technique that can take a fighter out of the game for months, years, or forever possibly.

Absolutely hate that shit.

Ya all those fighters that have been permanently disabled, that you guys can’t seem to list.
6/19/18 5:15 PM
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I'm sure it's a horrible technique to be on the end of. But then again, so is getting hit in the head and getting a haemorrhage. Both can put you out for an extremely long time. Simple solution - make them miss. 

 

It's the same as every other technique. People need to wise up and stop it. That's it. 

6/19/18 5:21 PM
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It's far worse than knees to the head of a grounded opponent. remove it!

6/19/18 5:57 PM
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This is a stupid concept. Ban knee bars and leg locks!!

6/19/18 7:34 PM
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Wink is right.
6/19/18 7:36 PM
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This is a great video for MANY reasons.  Not only is it Herb Deans worst stoppage ever, it was a perfect example of how dangerous that oblique kick is.  At this time (only in California) knee strikes were ILLEGAL and fighters were not aloud to wear knee braces or wraps due to the fact of "No strikes to the knee".   There is also a video out there of Greg Jackson interviewed after this fight (Amagovs trainer) and he was totally pleading ignorance about the rule in California. In fact, there was a 20 page thread on this fight after it happened, people posted the exact rule from the book and all.