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Weight cutting in combat sports is becoming a real problem....

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5/23/18 1:44 PM
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Isn’t the person who cuts the most usually the person who weighs the most during the fight? Especially if you just consider the dehydration.

Why do policies need rethinking when this stufy points in the direction of what was already believed?

5/23/18 1:50 PM
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Isn’t the person who cuts the most usually the person who weighs the most during the fight? Especially if you just consider the dehydration.

Why do policies need rethinking when this stufy points in the direction of what was already believed?

I don’t think that’s the case. It comes down to the quality of rehydration and diet. I think the nutritionists or coaches who are able to get the most “ideal” food and liquids into their athlete usually contribute to the higher weight gain after weigh in.  I could be totally wrong, though. Also, I think cutting too much weight in a short time creates systemic stress that makes it more difficult to regain maximum potential weight. So cutting slightly less and hydrating better. I haven’t read the study and I’m an idiot so ...

5/23/18 6:17 PM
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The paper shows that the guys who lost the most struggled to regain a great deal. The guys who regained the most didn’t cut as much.

5/23/18 6:37 PM
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The whole issue should be nothing more than common sense.

Dehydration is very dangerous, especially if combined with lots of physical exertion.

People making drastic weight cuts are probably getting very close to killing themselves, which drastically disrupts every system in the body. Without the use of IVs or other extreme forms of lifesaving technology the body just won't immediately bounce back after being placed on death's door. There is a very high probability that fighters who end up in the hospital from failed cuts have done some amount of irreversible damage to critical organs in the body.

The whole thing is stupid, and even dumber now because steps are being made to allow people to attempt even larger and stupider weight cuts instead of finding a way to diminish them and their impact on the fight.

It is truly ridiculous when two people start at around the same weight, cut about the same amount of weight, and then rehydrate back to basically the same weight so they can fight. Why not just fight at your natural weight and not go through the suffering and body damage just to fulfill some pointless pre-fight ritual? It's not supposed to be the Ultimate Weight Cutting Championship.

5/23/18 8:32 PM
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yup kidneys are getting abused. add in the brain trauma....

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5/23/18 10:16 PM
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A really dry sponge doesn't absorb water readily. One that's a little damp will soak up more water quickly.

Our cells seem to work a little like that. There's dry, and there's too dry...
5/24/18 12:43 AM
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in other breaking news, water is wet.
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Danger Dave - A really dry sponge doesn't absorb water readily. One that's a little damp will soak up more water quickly.

Our cells seem to work a little like that. There's dry, and there's too dry...

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The whole issue should be nothing more than common sense.

Dehydration is very dangerous, especially if combined with lots of physical exertion.

People making drastic weight cuts are probably getting very close to killing themselves, which drastically disrupts every system in the body. Without the use of IVs or other extreme forms of lifesaving technology the body just won't immediately bounce back after being placed on death's door. There is a very high probability that fighters who end up in the hospital from failed cuts have done some amount of irreversible damage to critical organs in the body.

The whole thing is stupid, and even dumber now because steps are being made to allow people to attempt even larger and stupider weight cuts instead of finding a way to diminish them and their impact on the fight.

It is truly ridiculous when two people start at around the same weight, cut about the same amount of weight, and then rehydrate back to basically the same weight so they can fight. Why not just fight at your natural weight and not go through the suffering and body damage just to fulfill some pointless pre-fight ritual? It's not supposed to be the Ultimate Weight Cutting Championship.

This.  We aren't seeing any of these guys at their best because they had to completely fuck up their bodies ability to function properly 24 hours before they started hitting eachother in the face with blunt fists.  The fighters who benefit the most are those who's genetics just happen to allow for easier water shedding and rehydrating with minimal side effects or those who know how to properly use drugs and illegal methods without being caught. For everyone else, its an fairly pointless exercise in doing dangerous harm to ones body right before doing even more dangerous harm to ones body....

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Target_the_Gash -

The whole issue should be nothing more than common sense.

Dehydration is very dangerous, especially if combined with lots of physical exertion.

People making drastic weight cuts are probably getting very close to killing themselves, which drastically disrupts every system in the body. Without the use of IVs or other extreme forms of lifesaving technology the body just won't immediately bounce back after being placed on death's door. There is a very high probability that fighters who end up in the hospital from failed cuts have done some amount of irreversible damage to critical organs in the body.

The whole thing is stupid, and even dumber now because steps are being made to allow people to attempt even larger and stupider weight cuts instead of finding a way to diminish them and their impact on the fight.

It is truly ridiculous when two people start at around the same weight, cut about the same amount of weight, and then rehydrate back to basically the same weight so they can fight. Why not just fight at your natural weight and not go through the suffering and body damage just to fulfill some pointless pre-fight ritual? It's not supposed to be the Ultimate Weight Cutting Championship.

I've had this conversation many times on here and IRL.

 

Back in the day, before weight cutting was "mainstream" a person could get a huge advantage by cutting weight. Your "natural" weight is 170 but you know how to cut and other guys don't and you can get down to 155 to fight a "natural" 155lber. You have the same skill level but now you have a huge size advantage too. It was a great method.

 

The problem is that now, everyone knows about it and everyone is doing it. So as you mentioned you have 2 guys who walk around at say 180. They could get down to 170 through diet and training and minimal cutting of water. Instead, they each make the cut down to 155, completely drain themselves and then turn around and rehydrate back up to near their original weight. Neither gained an advantage on the other and they are both at a lesser position than they were prior to the weight cut. Weight cutting no longer makes sense as you gain no advantage when your opponent is doing the exact same cut.