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Karl Olsson - This thread is great.

I thought about one thing, im talking out of my novice ass but here me out and say what you think.
Nick talked on the JRE pod that shoulder flexibility has a big impact on punching power, if you are stiff you wont be throwing as hard as your maximum potential.
Take a guy like Conor Mcgregor for example, known for incredible punching power, his shoulders look really, i mean reeeaally internally rotated, i think this because i have the same look and have for years stretched, try to fix weak areas, in my own shoulders, with somewhat result but they still want to hang out front if i relax.
Is this a genetic thing, like some people are just born that way and there is no way to get around it with all the work in the world put in.
Or could, for example, Mcgregor be an even harder puncher?
What u think guys :)

Karl to simplify it, when the shoulder is in a state of equilibrium both flexion/extension agonists/antagonist do not impede one another, the mechanics of the entire shoulder operate better and react quicker, which makes transferring the force generated from the feet, hips, trunk etc. much more effective in the punch, like a whip.Tight internally rotated shoulders might be the equivalent of cutting off the last 12inches of a bull whip. Hope that helps.

Awesome. Very cool to have you here sharing knownledge. What you say about S&C just rings True to me and I enjoyed the podcast very much. VU and welcome Phone Post 3.0

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What up Nick. Most of what you said on the JRE Podcast made sense to me, at least from anecdotal personal experiences..The best shape I  have ever been in, was when I played team basketball. All those sprints worked!

Look forward to RDA being feast upon by Khabib again in the future, but it looks like Khabib suffers from an antiquated training regiment..Who knows when he will fight again?

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anunaki - It's pretty well explained. Maybe listen again? The Bj penn and Troy palamalu testimonials on YouTube are good as well Phone Post 3.0
I know Troy focused a LOT on one foot training. Phone Post 3.0
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Speed of Sport -
Karl Olsson - This thread is great.

I thought about one thing, im talking out of my novice ass but here me out and say what you think.
Nick talked on the JRE pod that shoulder flexibility has a big impact on punching power, if you are stiff you wont be throwing as hard as your maximum potential.
Take a guy like Conor Mcgregor for example, known for incredible punching power, his shoulders look really, i mean reeeaally internally rotated, i think this because i have the same look and have for years stretched, try to fix weak areas, in my own shoulders, with somewhat result but they still want to hang out front if i relax.
Is this a genetic thing, like some people are just born that way and there is no way to get around it with all the work in the world put in.
Or could, for example, Mcgregor be an even harder puncher?
What u think guys :)

Karl to simplify it, when the shoulder is in a state of equilibrium both flexion/extension agonists/antagonist do not impede one another, the mechanics of the entire shoulder operate better and react quicker, which makes transferring the force generated from the feet, hips, trunk etc. much more effective in the punch, like a whip.Tight internally rotated shoulders might be the equivalent of cutting off the last 12inches of a bull whip. Hope that helps.
Thank you for taking time to anwser! Phone Post 3.0
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Speed of Sport - <blockquote>Ray Cappa - <span id='userPost53671289' class='User-307825'>That whole lifting weights makes you stiff is straight out of the 1920s. Dude didn't even graduate high school and you all are taking his word as gospel on science? And like the soviets had all the secrets? They also had a state system that weeded out the unfit early on and prescribed PEDs. These are all documented, proven facts. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></span></blockquote><br /> First of all I did graduate high school, and attended college. Sorry but continuous heavy weightlifting does make you less efficient, it does make your movements rigid and less precise due to the continuous cocontraction that occurs when lifting heavy loads, that means both agonist and antagonist muscles are being trained over and over to work simultaneously, much like driving with one foot on the gas and one on the brake. This cocontraction cannot simply be turned off at will, it needs to be retrained. This is one reason why bodybuilders and powerlifters tire out so quickly, their bodies are literally fighting themselves to perform even the simplest tasks. <br /> I think you're a bit off base with the ped accusation, But you are right the soviets did have a special selection process to determine which athletes were best suited for which sport, via muscle biopsies, and other tests..this type of science may be what set them ahead of others.
Sweet, the man himself! Thanks for taking time to post, I really appreciate it.

What would you suggest for a guy who wants to be more fit, but isn't a pro athlete, I do bjj, and typical weight lifting now.

Do you have a good DVD, is this stuff I can do at home? Phone Post 3.0
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12SixElbow - 
Speed of Sport - <blockquote>Ray Cappa - <span id='userPost53671289' class='User-307825'>That whole lifting weights makes you stiff is straight out of the 1920s. Dude didn't even graduate high school and you all are taking his word as gospel on science? And like the soviets had all the secrets? They also had a state system that weeded out the unfit early on and prescribed PEDs. These are all documented, proven facts. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></span></blockquote><br /> First of all I did graduate high school, and attended college. Sorry but continuous heavy weightlifting does make you less efficient, it does make your movements rigid and less precise due to the continuous cocontraction that occurs when lifting heavy loads, that means both agonist and antagonist muscles are being trained over and over to work simultaneously, much like driving with one foot on the gas and one on the brake. This cocontraction cannot simply be turned off at will, it needs to be retrained. This is one reason why bodybuilders and powerlifters tire out so quickly, their bodies are literally fighting themselves to perform even the simplest tasks. <br /> I think you're a bit off base with the ped accusation, But you are right the soviets did have a special selection process to determine which athletes were best suited for which sport, via muscle biopsies, and other tests..this type of science may be what set them ahead of others.
Sweet, the man himself! Thanks for taking time to post, I really appreciate it.

What would you suggest for a guy who wants to be more fit, but isn't a pro athlete, I do bjj, and typical weight lifting now.

Do you have a good DVD, is this stuff I can do at home? Phone Post 3.0

To Speed of Sport: I too am interested in any advice for regular dudes who don't live in your area. Any stuff we can do at home? Or small operations to set up ourselves?

I think there's a ton of value in your approach but am not sure how to start

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Hey speed of sport are there any gyms or facilities in NYC you recommend that have a "marinovich-esqe" based system.



Also is the Sports Science Lab/Gavin McMillan associated with the you or the marinoviches?


I know they work with Provodinkov etc.
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Exactly,

I'd be thrilled to be doing some balance drills or stuff with the stability ball. Anything you think can be done successfully from book / dvd without having to be at your gym in SoCal.

 

6/23/15 11:12 AM
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Speed of Sport -
Karl Olsson - This thread is great.

I thought about one thing, im talking out of my novice ass but here me out and say what you think.
Nick talked on the JRE pod that shoulder flexibility has a big impact on punching power, if you are stiff you wont be throwing as hard as your maximum potential.
Take a guy like Conor Mcgregor for example, known for incredible punching power, his shoulders look really, i mean reeeaally internally rotated, i think this because i have the same look and have for years stretched, try to fix weak areas, in my own shoulders, with somewhat result but they still want to hang out front if i relax.
Is this a genetic thing, like some people are just born that way and there is no way to get around it with all the work in the world put in.
Or could, for example, Mcgregor be an even harder puncher?
What u think guys :)

Karl to simplify it, when the shoulder is in a state of equilibrium both flexion/extension agonists/antagonist do not impede one another, the mechanics of the entire shoulder operate better and react quicker, which makes transferring the force generated from the feet, hips, trunk etc. much more effective in the punch, like a whip.Tight internally rotated shoulders might be the equivalent of cutting off the last 12inches of a bull whip. Hope that helps.
Nick, I am fascinated by your training methods. I'm so impressed with your ability to explain the concepts you teach to someone who knows nothing about strength and conditioning like me.

I know this sounds ridiculous but I think dos Anjos has assembled a perfect team around him. Although he was very talented, he was a mediocre performer when he first came into the UFC. I honestly don't think the work you have done with him can be overstated.

I have gotten to see dos Anjos train a few times. No one credits Dos Anjos wrestling coach but I think that guy deserves a tremendous amount of credit as well. I've seen them work together and the way he has taught dos Anjos to commit to his takedowns and drive through his opponent has made him an entirely different fighter. Dos Anjos is also one of the better cage wrestlers as well. I truly believe this is because of the work he and Jacob have put in

I ordered you tape but I hope the equipment you use isn't so specialized that I cant perform my workouts without those things.

After seeing dos Anjos level of conditioning since his fights with njukwoni and bocek I was absolutely blown away. I think in 20 years from now the things you are doing with your fighters will become the standard for strength and conditioning programs amongst the elite fighters. Keep up the good work. Phone Post 3.0
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It was just further insight to me how far ahead the americans training is compared to the rest.
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12SixElbow -
AishOyyy - 

I was fascinated by the logic behind their system when listening to JRE. I haven't had a chance to really try any of it (especially since many of Curson's machines seem to be custom made) but damn if it doesn't look effective.

I remember RDA looking like a complete monster during the UFC 185 Countdown so I guess his in ring performance shouldn't have been a total shock.


Agreed, it also sounds like RDA needs to get better training (MMA wise, not S&C wise).

 

Are you kidding? He has some of the best coaching in the world. Phone Post 3.0
6/23/15 11:49 AM
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12SixElbow -
AishOyyy - 

I was fascinated by the logic behind their system when listening to JRE. I haven't had a chance to really try any of it (especially since many of Curson's machines seem to be custom made) but damn if it doesn't look effective.

I remember RDA looking like a complete monster during the UFC 185 Countdown so I guess his in ring performance shouldn't have been a total shock.


Agreed, it also sounds like RDA needs to get better training (MMA wise, not S&C wise).

 

Are you kidding? He has some of the best coaching in the world. Phone Post 3.0

I didn't mean Nick lol

He had like 3 - 4 serious injuries in 1 training camp, including nearly losing his fucking eye. Nick went over this on the podcast. Somethings going on with your training if you're getting hurt so much.

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12SixElbow -
failure at life - 
12SixElbow -
AishOyyy - 

I was fascinated by the logic behind their system when listening to JRE. I haven't had a chance to really try any of it (especially since many of Curson's machines seem to be custom made) but damn if it doesn't look effective.

I remember RDA looking like a complete monster during the UFC 185 Countdown so I guess his in ring performance shouldn't have been a total shock.


Agreed, it also sounds like RDA needs to get better training (MMA wise, not S&C wise).

 

Are you kidding? He has some of the best coaching in the world. Phone Post 3.0

I didn't mean Nick lol

He had like 3 - 4 serious injuries in 1 training camp, including nearly losing his fucking eye. Nick went over this on the podcast. Somethings going on with your training if you're getting hurt so much.

I know you didn't mean nick. His coaching other than nick is still world class. His wrestling coach is an amazing coach, they guy is an absolute monster. corderio's resume speaks for itself and Gordo is one of the most innovative bjj instructors ever, they guy practically invented half guard.

You don't know what your talking about if you don't think his other coaching other than curson are all amazing. Phone Post 3.0
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Speed of Sport - 
Karl Olsson - This thread is great.

I thought about one thing, im talking out of my novice ass but here me out and say what you think.
Nick talked on the JRE pod that shoulder flexibility has a big impact on punching power, if you are stiff you wont be throwing as hard as your maximum potential.
Take a guy like Conor Mcgregor for example, known for incredible punching power, his shoulders look really, i mean reeeaally internally rotated, i think this because i have the same look and have for years stretched, try to fix weak areas, in my own shoulders, with somewhat result but they still want to hang out front if i relax.
Is this a genetic thing, like some people are just born that way and there is no way to get around it with all the work in the world put in.
Or could, for example, Mcgregor be an even harder puncher?
What u think guys :)

Karl to simplify it, when the shoulder is in a state of equilibrium both flexion/extension agonists/antagonist do not impede one another, the mechanics of the entire shoulder operate better and react quicker, which makes transferring the force generated from the feet, hips, trunk etc. much more effective in the punch, like a whip.Tight internally rotated shoulders might be the equivalent of cutting off the last 12inches of a bull whip. Hope that helps.

Nick, both fans and fighters like myself alike appreciate you getting on here. So thank you. Ive been following you on Instagram as well. ErikBadApple
6/23/15 2:35 PM
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12SixElbow -
failure at life - 
12SixElbow -
AishOyyy - 

I was fascinated by the logic behind their system when listening to JRE. I haven't had a chance to really try any of it (especially since many of Curson's machines seem to be custom made) but damn if it doesn't look effective.

I remember RDA looking like a complete monster during the UFC 185 Countdown so I guess his in ring performance shouldn't have been a total shock.


Agreed, it also sounds like RDA needs to get better training (MMA wise, not S&C wise).

 

Are you kidding? He has some of the best coaching in the world. Phone Post 3.0

I didn't mean Nick lol

He had like 3 - 4 serious injuries in 1 training camp, including nearly losing his fucking eye. Nick went over this on the podcast. Somethings going on with your training if you're getting hurt so much.

I know you didn't mean nick. His coaching other than nick is still world class. His wrestling coach is an amazing coach, they guy is an absolute monster. corderio's resume speaks for itself and Gordo is one of the most innovative bjj instructors ever, they guy practically invented half guard.

You don't know what your talking about if you don't think his other coaching other than curson are all amazing. Phone Post 3.0

lol

Obviously Cordeiro knows how to turn someone into a mean kickboxer, but his training methods are still in the dark ages, IMO. More and more you'll see how having "wars" in the gym aren't beneficial to you.

Chute Boxe is famous for the fucking absolute brawls and wars they had in the gym under Cordeiro's teachings. Again, he obviously knows a lot but science and logic have proven that shit isn't any good if you'd like to actually have a career.

 

 

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12SixElbow -
failure at life - 
12SixElbow -
failure at life - 
12SixElbow -
AishOyyy - 

I was fascinated by the logic behind their system when listening to JRE. I haven't had a chance to really try any of it (especially since many of Curson's machines seem to be custom made) but damn if it doesn't look effective.

I remember RDA looking like a complete monster during the UFC 185 Countdown so I guess his in ring performance shouldn't have been a total shock.


Agreed, it also sounds like RDA needs to get better training (MMA wise, not S&C wise).

 

Are you kidding? He has some of the best coaching in the world. Phone Post 3.0

I didn't mean Nick lol

He had like 3 - 4 serious injuries in 1 training camp, including nearly losing his fucking eye. Nick went over this on the podcast. Somethings going on with your training if you're getting hurt so much.

I know you didn't mean nick. His coaching other than nick is still world class. His wrestling coach is an amazing coach, they guy is an absolute monster. corderio's resume speaks for itself and Gordo is one of the most innovative bjj instructors ever, they guy practically invented half guard.

You don't know what your talking about if you don't think his other coaching other than curson are all amazing. Phone Post 3.0

lol

Obviously Cordeiro knows how to turn someone into a mean kickboxer, but his training methods are still in the dark ages, IMO. More and more you'll see how having "wars" in the gym aren't beneficial to you.

Chute Boxe is famous for the fucking absolute brawls and wars they had in the gym under Cordeiro's teachings. Again, he obviously knows a lot but science and logic have proven that shit isn't any good if you'd like to actually have a career.

 

 

For all the heat Chutebox takes for their gym wars they accomplished more than the vast majority of gyms. Phone Post 3.0
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12SixElbow -
failure at life - 
12SixElbow -
failure at life - 
12SixElbow -
AishOyyy - 

I was fascinated by the logic behind their system when listening to JRE. I haven't had a chance to really try any of it (especially since many of Curson's machines seem to be custom made) but damn if it doesn't look effective.

I remember RDA looking like a complete monster during the UFC 185 Countdown so I guess his in ring performance shouldn't have been a total shock.


Agreed, it also sounds like RDA needs to get better training (MMA wise, not S&C wise).

 

Are you kidding? He has some of the best coaching in the world. Phone Post 3.0

I didn't mean Nick lol

He had like 3 - 4 serious injuries in 1 training camp, including nearly losing his fucking eye. Nick went over this on the podcast. Somethings going on with your training if you're getting hurt so much.

I know you didn't mean nick. His coaching other than nick is still world class. His wrestling coach is an amazing coach, they guy is an absolute monster. corderio's resume speaks for itself and Gordo is one of the most innovative bjj instructors ever, they guy practically invented half guard.

You don't know what your talking about if you don't think his other coaching other than curson are all amazing. Phone Post 3.0

lol

Obviously Cordeiro knows how to turn someone into a mean kickboxer, but his training methods are still in the dark ages, IMO. More and more you'll see how having "wars" in the gym aren't beneficial to you.

Chute Boxe is famous for the fucking absolute brawls and wars they had in the gym under Cordeiro's teachings. Again, he obviously knows a lot but science and logic have proven that shit isn't any good if you'd like to actually have a career.

 

 

Do you really think that cordeiro's mindset hasn't caught up to the information available today? If you think that than you are an idiot.

Cordeiro took a guy who was probably the worst striker capable of fighting on the UFC roster and turned his striking into the UFC champion.

There is no way that the guys at king's spar the same way that the guys in chute box sparred. Watch the dos Anjos fight with Pettis again. It was very clear that dos Anjos and corederio had a clear cut plan of how to fight. Phone Post 3.0
6/23/15 9:17 PM
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Brockback Mountain - Hey speed of sport are there any gyms or facilities in NYC you recommend that have a "marinovich-esqe" based system.



Also is the Sports Science Lab/Gavin McMillan associated with the you or the marinoviches?


I know they work with Provodinkov etc.

There may be one in NYC I'll look into it.
We are not affiliated with Sports Science Lab, nor did Marv ever endorse Gavin Macmillan. Marv always felt he lacked a thorough understanding of the training and was more focused on "cashing in on it" from what he told me.
Provodnikov was unhappy with the results of what Macmillan offered and felt many areas were neglected, so he fired him and hired me, after last fight, despite losing he said the quality of what I offered was far superior than anything he did with his previous strength coach. Some people are salesmen others are trainers, hard to be both. Personally I hate talking on radio or TV. The other guy is a total ham.
6/23/15 9:23 PM
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12SixElbow - 
failure at life - 
12SixElbow -
AishOyyy - 

I was fascinated by the logic behind their system when listening to JRE. I haven't had a chance to really try any of it (especially since many of Curson's machines seem to be custom made) but damn if it doesn't look effective.

I remember RDA looking like a complete monster during the UFC 185 Countdown so I guess his in ring performance shouldn't have been a total shock.


Agreed, it also sounds like RDA needs to get better training (MMA wise, not S&C wise).

 

Are you kidding? He has some of the best coaching in the world. Phone Post 3.0

I didn't mean Nick lol

He had like 3 - 4 serious injuries in 1 training camp, including nearly losing his fucking eye. Nick went over this on the podcast. Somethings going on with your training if you're getting hurt so much.


It's a violent contact sport, and in sparring sometimes guys aren't at the same level as Rafael and other top fighters so they tend try a little too hard, or become overzealous and want to prove something at the expense of the contenders. Rafaels knee injury came from a slip on a wet mat during sparring which put his leg in an unsafe position, to make matters worse his sparring partner fell on it at that moment, probably could've beenmuch worse. Accidents happen.
6/23/15 9:25 PM
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Speed of Sport -
Brockback Mountain - Hey speed of sport are there any gyms or facilities in NYC you recommend that have a "marinovich-esqe" based system.



Also is the Sports Science Lab/Gavin McMillan associated with the you or the marinoviches?


I know they work with Provodinkov etc.

There may be one in NYC I'll look into it.
We are not affiliated with Sports Science Lab, nor did Marv ever endorse Gavin Macmillan. Marv always felt he lacked a thorough understanding of the training and was more focused on "cashing in on it" from what he told me.
Provodnikov was unhappy with the results of what Macmillan offered and felt many areas were neglected, so he fired him and hired me, after last fight, despite losing he said the quality of what I offered was far superior than anything he did with his previous strength coach. Some people are salesmen others are trainers, hard to be both. Personally I hate talking on radio or TV. The other guy is a total ham.
You seemed like a genuinely good dude from what I heard on your podcast. I don't know shit about strength and conditioning and you explained it so my idiotic brain could understand the concepts behind why you do things.

You don't have an elitist attitude at all like some people who are exceptionally knowledgable in their field. But you absolutely have to promote your product and you shouldn't be ashamed of that. The results you have gotten for guys speak for themselves. Dos Anjos cardio alone is enough to convince me that the way you work guys out is the way to go. Phone Post 3.0
6/23/15 9:26 PM
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12SixElbow - 

Exactly,

I'd be thrilled to be doing some balance drills or stuff with the stability ball. Anything you think can be done successfully from book / dvd without having to be at your gym in SoCal.

 


Everything on my DVD can be done at home with the hand weights, gym ball, ankle weights, and a trip to Home Depot. I sacrificed some $$$ by showing ways to make or substitute the equipment on my IG, and I'll include in the video as well, thanks for the support.
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Speed of Sport -
12SixElbow - 
failure at life - 
12SixElbow -
AishOyyy - 

I was fascinated by the logic behind their system when listening to JRE. I haven't had a chance to really try any of it (especially since many of Curson's machines seem to be custom made) but damn if it doesn't look effective.

I remember RDA looking like a complete monster during the UFC 185 Countdown so I guess his in ring performance shouldn't have been a total shock.


Agreed, it also sounds like RDA needs to get better training (MMA wise, not S&C wise).

 

Are you kidding? He has some of the best coaching in the world. Phone Post 3.0

I didn't mean Nick lol

He had like 3 - 4 serious injuries in 1 training camp, including nearly losing his fucking eye. Nick went over this on the podcast. Somethings going on with your training if you're getting hurt so much.


It's a violent contact sport, and in sparring sometimes guys aren't at the same level as Rafael and other top fighters so they tend try a little too hard, or become overzealous and want to prove something at the expense of the contenders. Rafaels knee injury came from a slip on a wet mat during sparring which put his leg in an unsafe position, to make matters worse his sparring partner fell on it at that moment, probably could've beenmuch worse. Accidents happen.
Do you think that very tight neoprene kneepads such as the ones that McDavid manufacture can help prevent those sort of injuries from slipping on wet mats?

I've trained with some world class guys and at the end of the session the mat looks like a slip and slide. I've slipped many times and I feel like those kneepads have helped tremendously in adding stability when I slip and are completely unprepared for it.

The more physically intensive the session becomes, (wrestling and mma sparring being the most intense) the more I feel the chance of injury becomes greater. When the mat becomes pretty slippery I usually have the kneepads right off to the side and I throw them on. I always wondering if it actually helped or if it was a placebo effect Phone Post 3.0
6/23/15 9:40 PM
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failure at life - 
Speed of Sport -
Karl Olsson - This thread is great.

I thought about one thing, im talking out of my novice ass but here me out and say what you think.
Nick talked on the JRE pod that shoulder flexibility has a big impact on punching power, if you are stiff you wont be throwing as hard as your maximum potential.
Take a guy like Conor Mcgregor for example, known for incredible punching power, his shoulders look really, i mean reeeaally internally rotated, i think this because i have the same look and have for years stretched, try to fix weak areas, in my own shoulders, with somewhat result but they still want to hang out front if i relax.
Is this a genetic thing, like some people are just born that way and there is no way to get around it with all the work in the world put in.
Or could, for example, Mcgregor be an even harder puncher?
What u think guys :)

Karl to simplify it, when the shoulder is in a state of equilibrium both flexion/extension agonists/antagonist do not impede one another, the mechanics of the entire shoulder operate better and react quicker, which makes transferring the force generated from the feet, hips, trunk etc. much more effective in the punch, like a whip.Tight internally rotated shoulders might be the equivalent of cutting off the last 12inches of a bull whip. Hope that helps.
Nick, I am fascinated by your training methods. I'm so impressed with your ability to explain the concepts you teach to someone who knows nothing about strength and conditioning like me.

I know this sounds ridiculous but I think dos Anjos has assembled a perfect team around him. Although he was very talented, he was a mediocre performer when he first came into the UFC. I honestly don't think the work you have done with him can be overstated.

I have gotten to see dos Anjos train a few times. No one credits Dos Anjos wrestling coach but I think that guy deserves a tremendous amount of credit as well. I've seen them work together and the way he has taught dos Anjos to commit to his takedowns and drive through his opponent has made him an entirely different fighter. Dos Anjos is also one of the better cage wrestlers as well. I truly believe this is because of the work he and Jacob have put in

I ordered you tape but I hope the equipment you use isn't so specialized that I cant perform my workouts without those things.

After seeing dos Anjos level of conditioning since his fights with njukwoni and bocek I was absolutely blown away. I think in 20 years from now the things you are doing with your fighters will become the standard for strength and conditioning programs amongst the elite fighters. Keep up the good work. Phone Post 3.0

You're absolutely right. In this day and age if you don't have an entire team of great coaches you won't beat another guy who does, plain and simple. It's synergistic, if you're deficient in any area it will be exploited in a fight. How many fights have been lost because one guy struggled with the weight, was too slow, or gassed, or didn't have the wrestling/grappling ? Every fight. These guys must cover all the bases in order to be the BEST. Many guys can CONTEND with less than this but to be the BEST it requires more than what others are willing to do.
So much of it is the fighters mentality and how much sacrifice and investment they are willing to make to get what they want. I know many ufc fighters, one guy is a part time personal trainer, he will never become the ufc champ, simply because he has a back up plan, that tiny factor makes all the difference in the world, and there's hundreds of similar things that deter them as well. For example if the best coach is in CA and you live in NY, and you want to become champ you better move to CA. Because you already know what the best is, unconsciously if you don't make that sacrifice and move to the west coast you'll know it on fight night, guaranteed. Rafael came here with $150 and no back up plan and said he was gonna be champ. It starts there, and guys with this type of determination know what it takes, a team. Sorry I rambled on.
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Speed of Sport - 
failure at life - 
Speed of Sport -
Karl Olsson - This thread is great.

I thought about one thing, im talking out of my novice ass but here me out and say what you think.
Nick talked on the JRE pod that shoulder flexibility has a big impact on punching power, if you are stiff you wont be throwing as hard as your maximum potential.
Take a guy like Conor Mcgregor for example, known for incredible punching power, his shoulders look really, i mean reeeaally internally rotated, i think this because i have the same look and have for years stretched, try to fix weak areas, in my own shoulders, with somewhat result but they still want to hang out front if i relax.
Is this a genetic thing, like some people are just born that way and there is no way to get around it with all the work in the world put in.
Or could, for example, Mcgregor be an even harder puncher?
What u think guys :)

Karl to simplify it, when the shoulder is in a state of equilibrium both flexion/extension agonists/antagonist do not impede one another, the mechanics of the entire shoulder operate better and react quicker, which makes transferring the force generated from the feet, hips, trunk etc. much more effective in the punch, like a whip.Tight internally rotated shoulders might be the equivalent of cutting off the last 12inches of a bull whip. Hope that helps.
Nick, I am fascinated by your training methods. I'm so impressed with your ability to explain the concepts you teach to someone who knows nothing about strength and conditioning like me.

I know this sounds ridiculous but I think dos Anjos has assembled a perfect team around him. Although he was very talented, he was a mediocre performer when he first came into the UFC. I honestly don't think the work you have done with him can be overstated.

I have gotten to see dos Anjos train a few times. No one credits Dos Anjos wrestling coach but I think that guy deserves a tremendous amount of credit as well. I've seen them work together and the way he has taught dos Anjos to commit to his takedowns and drive through his opponent has made him an entirely different fighter. Dos Anjos is also one of the better cage wrestlers as well. I truly believe this is because of the work he and Jacob have put in

I ordered you tape but I hope the equipment you use isn't so specialized that I cant perform my workouts without those things.

After seeing dos Anjos level of conditioning since his fights with njukwoni and bocek I was absolutely blown away. I think in 20 years from now the things you are doing with your fighters will become the standard for strength and conditioning programs amongst the elite fighters. Keep up the good work. Phone Post 3.0

You're absolutely right. In this day and age if you don't have an entire team of great coaches you won't beat another guy who does, plain and simple. It's synergistic, if you're deficient in any area it will be exploited in a fight. How many fights have been lost because one guy struggled with the weight, was too slow, or gassed, or didn't have the wrestling/grappling ? Every fight. These guys must cover all the bases in order to be the BEST. Many guys can CONTEND with less than this but to be the BEST it requires more than what others are willing to do.
So much of it is the fighters mentality and how much sacrifice and investment they are willing to make to get what they want. I know many ufc fighters, one guy is a part time personal trainer, he will never become the ufc champ, simply because he has a back up plan, that tiny factor makes all the difference in the world, and there's hundreds of similar things that deter them as well. For example if the best coach is in CA and you live in NY, and you want to become champ you better move to CA. Because you already know what the best is, unconsciously if you don't make that sacrifice and move to the west coast you'll know it on fight night, guaranteed. Rafael came here with $150 and no back up plan and said he was gonna be champ. It starts there, and guys with this type of determination know what it takes, a team. Sorry I rambled on.

Most likely a placebo as knee injuries usually occur because of the position of the foot in relation to the knee. If the foot slips or sticks it may put the knee in a dangerous position, this just one more reason I say high level Mma guys should spar on canvas,
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12SixElbow - 

Exactly,

I'd be thrilled to be doing some balance drills or stuff with the stability ball. Anything you think can be done successfully from book / dvd without having to be at your gym in SoCal.

 


Everything on my DVD can be done at home with the hand weights, gym ball, ankle weights, and a trip to Home Depot. I sacrificed some $$$ by showing ways to make or substitute the equipment on my IG, and I'll include in the video as well, thanks for the support.

Thank you I appreciate the feedback!