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Posted on August 23, 2017 by EMagraken

TMZ reports that Jon Jones tested positive for the steroid turinabol during an in-competition drug test at UFC 214.

While Jones is entitled to due process before facing any sanctions, if the report is accurate and no mitigating factors exist he is facing a wide range of steep consequences for this doping violation.

First, under s. 10.1 of the UFC/USADA Anti-Doping Policy “ADP” his victory against Daniel Cormier can be overturned to a no-contest and the UFC can strip him of his title and purse with the section providing as follows:

An Anti-Doping Policy Violation occurring during, or in connection with, a Bout
may, upon the decision of UFC, lead to Disqualification of all of the Athlete’s results
obtained in that Bout with all Consequences, including, without limitation, forfeiture
of title, ranking, purse or other compensation

Next he can be facing a suspension under the ADP.  Turinabol is a “non-specified substance” under the policy with a default 2 year suspension.   Section 10.2.1 reads as follows:

The period of Ineligibility shall be two years where the AntiDoping
Policy Violation involves a non-Specified Substance or
Prohibited Method

Moving on to section 10.7 things can get worse for Jones as this would be his second ADP violation.  This section requires a doubling of the penalty stating “For an Athlete or other Person’s second Anti-Doping Policy Violation, the period of Ineligibility shall be…twice the period of Ineligibility otherwise applicable to the second Anti-Doping Policy Violation treated as if it were a first violation“.  In short 4 years.

Next the UFC can fine Jones up to $500,000 with section 10.10 stating “In addition to the other Consequences described under this Article 10, UFC may impose a fine on an Athlete or other Person who commits an Anti-Doping Policy Violation up to the sum of $500,000 depending on the seriousness of the violation and the relative compensation of the Athlete or other Person“.

Things don’t end there.  The California State Athletic Commission, who regulated this bout, share concurrent jurisdiction with USADA to impose sanctions.

In addition to having the authority to suspend Jones’ licence the CSAC can hit him with a steep fine.  Specifically “the commission may also assess a fine of up to 40 percent of the total purse for a violation of Section 18649 related to the use of prohibited substances.”.  If you are asking, yes, turinabol use is a violation of section 18649 which adopts the WADA prohibited list.

Last but not least Jones may be vulnerable to civil liability if Cormier alleges he never consented to fight a doping competitor.  Such a lawsuit can have legs if intentional doping can be proven.  Given the bout ended with Cormier suffering a traumatic brain injury this is no small risk.  Basically a fighter can argue that doping is fraud and fraud vitiates consent to fight.  If this is proven a Court can find that any damage suffered in a bout is a result of an unlawful battery.  This is not unprecedented as can be seen from the Collins v. Resto lawsuit for battery via glove tampering and the Ruiz v. Toney doping lawsuit that was resolved via out of court settlement. 

So, in short, Jones can be looking at

Having his victory against Cormier overturned

Forfeiture of his purse

Forfeiture of his title

4 years of ineligibility imposed by USADA

a $500,000 UFC fine

A CSAC imposed suspension

A fine of up to 40% of his purse imposed by the CSAC

A potential civil lawsuit by Cormier alleging battery

Lastly it is worth noting that an arbitrator found Jones “reckless” with respect to his last ADP violation so leniency may be in short supply this time around.

 

https://combatsportslaw.com/2017/08/23/the-potential-wide-ranging-legal-fallout-after-jon-jones-ufc-214-failed-drug-test/

 

 

9 days ago
5/10/16
Posts: 12856
He's fucked.

Let him go. He's an idoit, but let him go to bellator or Japan
9 days ago
9/22/16
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That's a lot of fines. I feel like we need Scott Steiner to come break down the math.
9 days ago
8/6/06
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opieandjimmy - He's fucked.

Let him go. He's an idoit, but let him go to bellator or Japan
He's facing a super long athletic commission suspension too, so Bellator is out of the question.
9 days ago
9/22/11
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Only God can judge Jon.
9 days ago
5/10/16
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ABCTT_HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe -
opieandjimmy - He's fucked.

Let him go. He's an idoit, but let him go to bellator or Japan
He's facing a super long athletic commission suspension too, so Bellator is out of the question.
Indian reservations.
9 days ago
9/22/11
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I'd like to thank Jesus....Jesus Hernandez my roid supplier.
9 days ago
9/22/16
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opieandjimmy - 
ABCTT_HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe -
opieandjimmy - He's fucked.

Let him go. He's an idoit, but let him go to bellator or Japan
He's facing a super long athletic commission suspension too, so Bellator is out of the question.
Indian reservations.

If Bellator ran an event on a reservation that featured talent currently suspended by USADA or any state AC, they'd never run a state-sanctioned event again. It'd be the end of Bellator.

If Jones wants to fight he has to go to Asia. I imagine the gas station dick pills in Singapore are hot fiyah.
9 days ago
4/8/09
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japan
9 days ago
6/24/16
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Jon Jones only option is Japan. 

9 days ago
6/24/16
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Fedor in Japan.

9 days ago
5/10/16
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AnthonyWeiner -
opieandjimmy - 
ABCTT_HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe -
opieandjimmy - He's fucked.

Let him go. He's an idoit, but let him go to bellator or Japan
He's facing a super long athletic commission suspension too, so Bellator is out of the question.
Indian reservations.

If Bellator ran an event on a reservation that featured talent currently suspended by USADA or any state AC, they'd never run a state-sanctioned event again. It'd be the end of Bellator.

If Jones wants to fight he has to go to Asia. I imagine the gas station dick pills in Singapore are hot fiyah.
True. Wish onefc would do event's daytime in the US. Never see then cause the time difference
9 days ago
5/3/12
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opieandjimmy - He's fucked.

Let him go. He's an idoit, but let him go to bellator or Japan
So much THIS.

The UFC will NOT Die out if Bones fights elsewhere.
9 days ago
8/6/06
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AnthonyWeiner -
opieandjimmy - 
ABCTT_HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe -
opieandjimmy - He's fucked.

Let him go. He's an idoit, but let him go to bellator or Japan
He's facing a super long athletic commission suspension too, so Bellator is out of the question.
Indian reservations.

If Bellator ran an event on a reservation that featured talent currently suspended by USADA or any state AC, they'd never run a state-sanctioned event again. It'd be the end of Bellator.

If Jones wants to fight he has to go to Asia. I imagine the gas station dick pills in Singapore are hot fiyah.
I don't know if they're bound in that way, by a USADA suspension. They're definitely bound that way, with an athletic commission suspension. The athletic commissions all work together, so if a promoter violates an athletic commission suspension, no athletic commission in the United States, will sanction them. You obviously know that, but I'm just not sure USADA suspensions are as protected. Like I know an AC wouldn't sanction an athlete under a USADA suspension, but I don't know weather they would sanction a promotion that violated a USADA suspension. It's not relevant to Jon's situation, because he's getting sanctioned by the CSAC too.
9 days ago
8/6/06
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GUMBY ? -
opieandjimmy - He's fucked.

Let him go. He's an idoit, but let him go to bellator or Japan
So much THIS.

The UFC will NOT Die out if Bones fights elsewhere.
He hasn't made many friends at Zuffa, so I highly doubt the slap USADA in the face, and cut Jon loose. There's absolutely nothing for the ufc to gain, by cutting Jon loose.
9 days ago
5/3/12
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ABCTT_HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe -
GUMBY ? -
opieandjimmy - He's fucked.

Let him go. He's an idoit, but let him go to bellator or Japan
So much THIS.

The UFC will NOT Die out if Bones fights elsewhere.
He hasn't made many friends at Zuffa, so I highly doubt the slap USADA in the face, and cut Jon loose. There's absolutely nothing for the ufc to gain, by cutting Jon loose.
So.....ICE him.
9 days ago
8/25/15
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BringBackGoldy - Only God can judge Jon.
hahahahha
9 days ago
6/23/10
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Jesus Freak Jones is the best heel ever!
9 days ago
8/1/10
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The UFC is going to put him on the shelf.  It'll be years before he fights again.  I can't see him getting less than 2 after an appeal.

Obviously he'll lose the title, have to pay fines, but the real question is after another 2-4 years out of the sport, will he personally try to come back and fight in the UFC?

The UFC will give him a fight eventually if he wants it because it'll make some money, but they're not going to release him and let someone else profit from him.  They invested a lot of money building him up already.

He's not going to have a choice, he'll have to come back eventually and fight because he is going to be broke and he has kids and bills and an ego to support.  It's not cheap being Jon Jones, it costs money.  He isn't good at anything else, and he's not going to get any endorsements because he's a cheater, so fighting again is his only way to earn money.

How much he's fined will determine how quickly he goes broke, also how much he spends in appeals and defense.  He should just save as much as he can, cut a deal, take the punishment, try to maybe fight in Russia or Japan on the side, but eventually get back in the UFC and get a few wins, try to get a big payday to retire on.

Dude has fucked himself and his family pretty good by cheating again.

9 days ago
9/22/16
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Sultry Crockett - 

The UFC is going to put him on the shelf.  It'll be years before he fights again.  I can't see him getting less than 2 after an appeal.

Obviously he'll lose the title, have to pay fines, but the real question is after another 2-4 years out of the sport, will he personally try to come back and fight in the UFC?

The UFC will give him a fight eventually if he wants it because it'll make some money, but they're not going to release him and let someone else profit from him.  They invested a lot of money building him up already.

He's not going to have a choice, he'll have to come back eventually and fight because he is going to be broke and he has kids and bills and an ego to support.  It's not cheap being Jon Jones, it costs money.  He isn't good at anything else, and he's not going to get any endorsements because he's a cheater, so fighting again is his only way to earn money.

How much he's fined will determine how quickly he goes broke, also how much he spends in appeals and defense.  He should just save as much as he can, cut a deal, take the punishment, try to maybe fight in Russia or Japan on the side, but eventually get back in the UFC and get a few wins, try to get a big payday to retire on.

Dude has fucked himself and his family pretty good by cheating again.


Gotta be pretty clear on this: If Jones takes an MMA fight in any non-sanctioned location (Indian reservation, Japan, Russia) while suspended by the CSAC he will never fight in the U.S. again. There's no "take a fight in Russia while he serves his suspension here" option.
9 days ago
8/18/13
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opieandjimmy - He's fucked.

Let him go. He's an idoit, but let him go to bellator or Japan

Lol no, he doesn't deserve to have an MMA career again in any way shape or form. UFC should keep him under contract and let him rot 

9 days ago
1/12/10
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He's radioactive at this point. No one wants to touch him 

9 days ago
12/26/13
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AnthonyWeiner -
Sultry Crockett - 

The UFC is going to put him on the shelf.  It'll be years before he fights again.  I can't see him getting less than 2 after an appeal.

Obviously he'll lose the title, have to pay fines, but the real question is after another 2-4 years out of the sport, will he personally try to come back and fight in the UFC?

The UFC will give him a fight eventually if he wants it because it'll make some money, but they're not going to release him and let someone else profit from him.  They invested a lot of money building him up already.

He's not going to have a choice, he'll have to come back eventually and fight because he is going to be broke and he has kids and bills and an ego to support.  It's not cheap being Jon Jones, it costs money.  He isn't good at anything else, and he's not going to get any endorsements because he's a cheater, so fighting again is his only way to earn money.

How much he's fined will determine how quickly he goes broke, also how much he spends in appeals and defense.  He should just save as much as he can, cut a deal, take the punishment, try to maybe fight in Russia or Japan on the side, but eventually get back in the UFC and get a few wins, try to get a big payday to retire on.

Dude has fucked himself and his family pretty good by cheating again.


Gotta be pretty clear on this: If Jones takes an MMA fight in any non-sanctioned location (Indian reservation, Japan, Russia) while suspended by the CSAC he will never fight in the U.S. again. There's no "take a fight in Russia while he serves his suspension here" option.

My memory may be off here but didn't Schlemenko do that and he's back in Bellator. 

9 days ago
6/22/10
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UFC won't be cutting Jones anytime soon. Took Mir awhile to get his release
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2/24/10
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TLDR

2-4 yrs.