UnderGround Forum >> Let's hear it for K-1 level striking!

Dogmeat 1 - Melvin's record in K-1 and other higher level kickboxing promotions is only 9-8. Futhermore he was knocked out cold in 6 out of 8 of those losses, usually in the first round. Melvin has shown that he has the skills and power to knockout nearly anyone but that his weak chin and mental game cause him to lose nearly as much as he wins.

all this loss shows is that his flaws are just as exploitable in MMA as they are in kickboxing.

What rocked him? A leg kick? A punch to his arm?

Prior to the KO punch, Lawler had not been flailing at air and falling all over himself with missed punches as Fedor had; in fact it was obvious to anyone that he was waiting for the best moment. Therefore a logical person would see one as more of a sharpshooter and the other as a blindfolded child pitching darts at a board and maybe one of them hits a bullseye.

1) The kid who walks up to the three-point line and sinks it, nothing but net, on his first try. (He has also done this on many other occasions)

2) The kid who shoots a dozen airballs and then sinks one? (He only made the shot once before in his life, years ago)

Squatdog - 

lol, you don't think Lawler was throwing his own legs up in an attempt to "roll with" the kicks?

LMFAO!!!!

Dogmeat 1 - Melvin's record in K-1 and other higher level kickboxing promotions is only 9-8. Futhermore he was knocked out cold in 6 out of 8 of those losses, usually in the first round. Melvin has shown that he has the skills and power to knockout nearly anyone but that his weak chin and mental game cause him to lose nearly as much as he wins.

all this loss shows is that his flaws are just as exploitable in MMA as they are in kickboxing.

orcus - 
 Robbie's training partner on the other thread: " It's not the conventional check, but when Robbie's leg was flying up in the air... Robbie was making his leg go with the kick to take off some of the steam. He's done it in training and fights in the past, occasionally, with super strong leg kickers."

Dogmeat 1 - Melvin's record in K-1 and other higher level kickboxing promotions is only 9-8. Futhermore he was knocked out cold in 6 out of 8 of those losses, usually in the first round. Melvin has shown that he has the skills and power to knockout nearly anyone but that his weak chin and mental game cause him to lose nearly as much as he wins.

all this loss shows is that his flaws are just as exploitable in MMA as they are in kickboxing.

orcus - 1) Prior to the KO punch, Lawler had not been flailing at air and falling all over himself with missed punches as Fedor had

orcus - in fact it was obvious to anyone that he was waiting for the best moment.

orcus - Therefore a logical person would see one as more of a sharpshooter and the other as a blindfolded child pitching darts at a board and maybe one of them hits a bullseye.

Herring In A Fur Coat - The myth of "K-1 level striking" is that anyone who's had a modicum of success in K-1 is going to destroy any MMA fighter standing in an MMA fight. Anyone who's claimed that Anderson Silva would be shooting for takedowns in a hypothetical fight with Manhoef, or anyone who thinks that Overeem's success in K-1 has any bearing on his MMA career, is buying into this myth. It really wasn't a FRAT-worthy statement.

whistleblower - 

Herring In A Fur Coat - The myth of "K-1 level striking" is that anyone who's had a modicum of success in K-1 is going to destroy any MMA fighter standing in an MMA fight. Anyone who's claimed that Anderson Silva would be shooting for takedowns in a hypothetical fight with Manhoef, or anyone who thinks that Overeem's success in K-1 has any bearing on his MMA career, is buying into this myth. It really wasn't a FRAT-worthy statement.

Oh, so then you DON'T disagree with the specific notion that K-1 in reality has most of the best kickboxers in the world - the best of whom would generally be favored to beat everyone else in the world in a striking fight, most of the time. And don't think that that's a "myth" at all.

Great, no FRAT's needed then. Glad we could agree.

orcus -  "as whistleblower said, you really are the king of double standards and your hyperbole is trolling plain and simple."

I'm the king of double standards, huh? What about the many posters here, including on this very thread, sucking Fedor's dick for the punch that Arlovski literally jumped into, after missing wildly the previous 3 minutes, while saying Lawler got lucky with the only punch he bothered to throw? Funny how that dumb cunt isn't educating the poor n00bs on this forum to beware of THOSE guys' "double standards".  

orcus -  "Please watch Kid Yamamoto vs Zambidis, or Igor Vov's k1 fight for an example of this."

There is a reason K-1 MAX is called K-1 MAX and not K-1 -- it's a totally different talent pool and much higher level of skill. I don't see all the competitors in the MAX GP going down every time they get touched, I never saw Masato get stopped in seconds by an ugly MMA-style bumrush as Badr did to Schilt in their first fight.

lol @ bringing up Igor. Yeah, a 6'5" guy running and throwing leg kicks all night against a 5'8" brawler 10 years ago really closes the book on the subject.

"cries about everything other than Zuffa-produced American MMA"

I'll take that with a grain of salt from the guy who sucks the dick of everything other than Zuffa-produced American MMA.

"Are you suggesting that Robbie Lawler doesn't have extremely heavy hands for a middleweight? Being susceptible to a Robbie Lawler KO = questionable chin? "

He has heavy hands, sure. However, I can't think of anyone else who was put into a coma by one punch from him. Also, you're missing the point that when Melvin's chin has been questioned before, the response has always been "lol that's what happens when a 250lb K-1 level striker tags you, no one in MMA of Melvin's size is going to do that; lol he KO'd Mark Hunt what do you think he'd do to some 185lb MMA scrub?"

The fact is that Lawler is tough and heavy-handed but is nowhere close to one of the best "strikers" in MMA. He nearly killed Manhoef and, other than his leg, was completely fine despite all the scary looking punches and bodykicks Melvin was throwing -- and it has to be remembered that he WAS stopped by leg kicks the only other time he fought someone who threw them, so doing damage with them is not some incredible endorsement of Manhoef's deadly striking. Lawler did exactly what he did to Ninja -- cover up and wait for an opening. Would have worked beautifully if he could defend leg kicks; as it is, it got dicey but he still won the fight with one of the only punches he bothered throwing.

"Im willing to take Vitor against Anderson "

Done! It's funny though, both our bets have been fights I could see going either way. I'm definitely more confident about Anderson winning than I was Sherk, though. 30 days?