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UnderGround Forum >> My MMA Striking Observations IMHO
| 10/24/10 9:56 PM | |
JaBoston
Member Since: 12/16/08 Posts: 8 |
Cool thread. Thanks everyone. |
| 10/24/10 11:06 PM | |
Duke Roufus
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Edited: 10/24/10 11:14 PM Member Since: 4/7/05 Posts: 1518 Roufusport Academy, Owner |
Cool discussions everybody. I am honored to have Burton on here! |
| 10/24/10 11:11 PM | |
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Duke Roufus
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Member Since: 4/7/05 Posts: 1519 Roufusport Academy, Owner |
Wasa, Thanks for the kind words! |
| 10/24/10 11:17 PM | |
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Duke Roufus
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Burton - Thanks for sharing Duke. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Duke was referring to the lack of active defense in most MMA fighters when he said I concur with you 100%. |
| 10/24/10 11:33 PM | |
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Friction
Member Since: 10/20/10 Posts: 26 |
Awesome thread! Hey, what do you guys think of Edgar's defense against BJ in there fight. It seemed like the defensive striking really frustrated him and he had no answer, helped him win the fight. |
| 10/24/10 11:36 PM | |
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MMAReview
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Edited: 10/24/10 11:37 PM Member Since: 11/22/08 Posts: 859 |
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| 10/25/10 12:21 AM | |
Johnny Ringo
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Duke hits the nail on the head... As ALWAYS. 
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| 10/25/10 12:58 AM | |
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lkfmdc
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erichaycraft - One thing I see a lot as I travel is a double standard for striking coaching and striking training. Some phenomenal BJJ schools with top notch lineage and bloodlines will hire a complete phony of a striking coach. this....... |
| 10/25/10 1:31 AM | |
Erikkoch
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Member Since: 8/23/04 Posts: 558 |
Roufusport!!!!!
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| 10/25/10 8:33 AM | |
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Duke Roufus
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Member Since: 4/7/05 Posts: 1521 Roufusport Academy, Owner |
Friction, BJ is a great counter fighter. Frankie used great footwork & hand speed to never let BJ get going. Frankie Edgar is part of the new era striking wrestlers. |
| 10/25/10 8:52 AM | |
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Duke Roufus
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Member Since: 4/7/05 Posts: 1522 Roufusport Academy, Owner |
In relation to striking in MMA. The better ground game you have the better the your striking game will be. If you do not fear going to the mat you can let it fly! As well, the better striker you are the easier it is to take someone down. When they are worried about getting hit takedowns are open. Also, when you fear takedowns it is easier to strike someone. If you train properly all your weapons will work off of each other. |
| 10/25/10 9:16 AM | |
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androushka
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Member Since: 10/4/02 Posts: 5120 |
Haven't read the whole thread but I wholeheartedly agree with the first post. K-1 is a little bit the same way, both attack as hard as they can, and whoever dies first looses. Compare to real muay thai where avoidance, counters and control is everything. "Boxing is not hitting, any fool can hit, boxing is making the other guy miss" It's true. I coach muay thai, and to get an athletic beginner to punch and kick well is easy, but it doesn't get them anywhere. Defens is what's lacking... |
| 10/25/10 9:38 AM | |
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Friction
Member Since: 10/20/10 Posts: 32 |
Thanks for the answer Duke! Great thread. |
| 10/25/10 9:44 AM | |
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Ogami Itto
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Member Since: 11/12/02 Posts: 45104 |
nobones - Yep, lots of MMA fighters have subpar striking. This is a pretty old point for many years actually but when you got to be good at everything striking usually comes up as the last thing people improve upon. We are just in the last few years starting to see high level strikers like Machida, Shogun, Anderson, JDS be able to successfully adapt their striking game to be effective in MMA. Good post. So are your other posts. |
| 10/25/10 9:44 AM | |
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Gokudamus stole my name
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 17886 |
Its true that kickboxing is not the same as MMA striking. But fighters should play to their strengths rather than play the typical MMA striking game Gonzaga is an above average BJJ blackbelt. So what if he gets taken down by Schaub? In my keyboard warrior opinion, if he had started out the first round by kicking the shit out of Schaubs ribs and arms, he would have eventually won in the punching exchanges later |
| 10/25/10 9:48 AM | |
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Duke Roufus
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Member Since: 4/7/05 Posts: 1527 Roufusport Academy, Owner |
Sometimes fighters find a new tool & over it use it. I think Gonzaga could have had a better chance to win the fight on the ground. I am not sure how good his takedowns are. |
| 10/25/10 9:50 AM | |
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stlnl2
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Member Since: 5/20/04 Posts: 4996 |
To be honest I think Gonzaga is simply at a loss with his confidence. Confidence IMO is the A number 1 weapon of a good fighter. You can see it, a guy can have ok skills, but as long as he really believes in himself, he can do things sort of wrong, but as long as he really goes, it can work out for him. Conversely, a guy can have great skills, but if he doubts himself a little, he can look like a completely different fighter. |
| 10/25/10 9:50 AM | |
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Ogami Itto
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Member Since: 11/12/02 Posts: 45105 |
Duke, awesome thread. Question for you: in your opinion are the karate-boxing hybrid schools of American kickboxing like PSKA and IKA contributing as much to the quality striking in MMA as muay thai? Every time I stick up for "krotty-kickboxing" I get ridiculed because "muay thai is the best blah blah blah." |
| 10/25/10 9:53 AM | |
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paw
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nice thread....for laters |
| 10/25/10 9:57 AM | |
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androushka
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Member Since: 10/4/02 Posts: 5123 |
Oh and BTW, very cool of you to show up and post your observations, Mr Roufus. |
| 10/25/10 10:18 AM | |
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whoabro
Member Since: 1/22/07 Posts: 5937 |
98lbweakling - How great is it that we can log in on any given day and see a guy like Duke Roufus sharing his insight? In what other sport does that happen? None. I love this place. +1 |
| 10/25/10 10:25 AM | |
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LiftStrong
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Great thread. I totally agree that there is not enough of a focus on defence in MMA striking. Even some of the really talented strikers get into "exchange" mode, where the whole fight, they will go in unload a combination, and then back straight out of the pocket and reset. It almost seems like guys will tell themselves ahead of time that they are going to throw a combination rather than just reacting to the situation. Im no expert, but from my experience, in MMA, if you can make a guy miss, they become VERY vulnerable. Most fighters dont seem to use angles, they circle and then come straight in with a combo. I think Duke commented on it a little, but few fighters seem to view standup as a chess match, like they do BJJ. Every combination should be thrown to ellicit a response from the opposing fighter to land another strike or combination. Too many fighters seem programmed rather than going on their instinct. Having a gameplan is one thing, but it is too often forced rather than being allowed to develop. JMO |
| 10/25/10 10:30 AM | |
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Ogami Itto
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Also, it's just very hard to strike well and ward off takedown and clinch opps at the same time. Just tough, I think. |
| 10/25/10 11:08 AM | |
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aatard
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Member Since: 9/24/06 Posts: 32 |
I think LiftStrong makes a very good point. MMA standup isn't very forward thinking for the most part. Many fighters seem to be in the moment and in attack mode rather than thinking a few steps ahead. There seems to be very little strategy and this combined with poor technique makes a lot of mma standup look amateurish.
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| 10/25/10 11:46 AM | |
Zedlepln
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Edited: 10/25/10 11:50 AM Member Since: 2/24/09 Posts: 9448 |
Wealth of information and solid opinion in this thread. |
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