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12/20/10 10:04 PM

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mmaguy30 149 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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So lets say he got his Black in Brazil.. BEFORE Cortland? a BB in the states under Walid for 15+ YEARS!!! (and no one has heard of him?)

SO that seems unlikley... how about this... he trains a bit in Brazil prior to Cortland, say he is maybe a purple or brown... comes to the states, 4 years College at Cortlad, and then immediatly returns to Brazil, the 4 years away from the sport has no affect and he is able to pick up Black in how long? When did her return to the US, marry his (in 2003 18 years old) wife, open a gym and still none hears of him till now?

12/20/10 10:07 PM

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GenericAmerican 18 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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I like how this is going in a strange order. We assumed he was a fraud, then confirmed he was legit, now are investigating his seeming illegitimacy.

I'll be watching for additional developments. I'm always tempted to join in on some of the "advanced" research, because I have access to investigation tools/programs, but it would be illegal to use without justification (even though it's unlikely to be tracked). Still, I'm always tempted. I'll hold out until it's really worth it.

12/20/10 10:09 PM

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GenericAmerican 18 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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mmaguy30 - So lets say he got his Black in Brazil.. BEFORE Cortland? a BB in the states under Walid for 15+ YEARS!!! (and no one has heard of him?)

SO that seems unlikley... how about this... he trains a bit in Brazil prior to Cortland, say he is maybe a purple or brown... comes to the states, 4 years College at Cortlad, and then immediatly returns to Brazil, the 4 years away from the sport has no affect and he is able to pick up Black in how long? When did her return to the US, marry his (in 2003 18 years old) wife, open a gym and still none hears of him till now?

That is certainly possible, like he trained up most of the way in Brazil, came to the US and continued training under someone else, then went back to get his BB.

12/20/10 10:13 PM

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mmaguy30 149 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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I wish I was home... I could run a pretty complete background pretty quick...

i should of done that yesterday.

This thread popped up at the worst time, ALOTHOUGH... for the next week I am going to be at my inlaws... nothing to do but train at Rail city a few times, a few trips up to tristar, and post here.

Wifey wont even be pissed at the amount of time I spend on the UG, because every second I am on here is one I dont spend bitching about leaving the beach, and my fishing, shooting, car, and nice weather for the motherfucking barren cold northeast were the fishing sucks (NO FUCKIN SHARK FOR MILLLESSSS), shit weather, and her fucking sisters... and her fucking sisters kids, andher limp dick sisters boyfriend, and the other sisters dumb ass liberal pinko commie husband, and her fucking sisters.

I hate ms mmaguys fucking sisters.

12/20/10 10:15 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
mmaguy30 149 Member Since: 6/16/07 Posts: 3453	GenericAmerican - That is certainly possible, like he trained up most of the way in Brazil, came to the US and continued training under someone else, then went back to get his BB. very possible.... You have ignored this user.

12/20/10 10:21 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
jittaz Member Since: 6/8/10 Posts: 703	Jump Kick U HAVE A PM You have ignored this user.

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mmaguy30 149 Member Since: 6/16/07 Posts: 3454	http://www.langmma.com/aboutus.htm CLEARLY states Wallid... someone screencap that shit and post it here... You have ignored this user.

12/20/10 10:25 PM

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mmaguy30 149 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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I think the questions are pretty good... does not leave much wiggle room...

I do hope we are NOT wrong about this... I dont want to shit on a legit guy. So please everyone lets keep this classy till some REAL evidence comes out.

The msg I got from the unnamed (ncaa92 verified) source is pretty damning though... It just offers not enough facts.

We need to hear from Wallid.

12/20/10 10:30 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
ilovetortillas 226 Member Since: 2/25/08 Posts: 4694	You have ignored this user.

12/20/10 10:40 PM

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BenBJJ 67 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Is that a young David Lang sitting in the back left of this pic? It may well be, but I dont see his name listed...

1º campeonato da Barra Gracie na Espaço Vital.

In this photo: Ralph Gracie (photos), Roberto Correa de Lima (photos), Daniel Gracie, fabio amed, Rommel Cardozo (photos), Daniel De Lima, Mauricio Tinguinha (photos), Flavia Gracie, Jorge Pereira (photos), Jorge Pereira, Vitor Gomes, José Henrique Leão Teixeira (photos), Marcio Nercessian Marques Canario

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Alumynabjj Member Since: 12/15/09 Posts: 585	ilovetortillas - <img src="http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb88/misses1112/LangMMA.png"> Was just coming here to post that shit. He is so done son. That is admitted defeat. Another faker called out and shut down. Now it is time to get him to stop that black belt bullshit talk. You have ignored this user.

12/20/10 10:46 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Alumynabjj Member Since: 12/15/09 Posts: 586	mmaguy30 - Fuck... great minds think alike... Just got your pm alumnybjj.. I had the same thoughts on the timeline. The english is something else, it alomost seems put on. Like someone is trying VERY hard to sound brazilian Yeah... this dude is something else. I have no idea why these frauds do not hide their tracks better. You have ignored this user.

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mmaguy30 149 Member Since: 6/16/07 Posts: 3456	Just got this from dave lang... David Lang December 20 at 10:42pm Report Phil your questions i will answer after the holidays. i did go back and forth from brasil as someone posted. tell your unnamed source that i am sorry we took 4 people from his gym. it is sad that people feel the need to lie. i work very hard for what i have. God bless You have ignored this user.

12/20/10 10:47 PM

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Alumynabjj

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Top Team -
Alumynabjj -
Top Team - Who is your instructor AlumBJJ? <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

Helio Soneca. He knows most of your guys with ATT and is real tight with Renato Tavares.

I know RT real well. I've trained at his gym in stewart. He has a very aggressive style but I like it. It makes you tough or quit. Anyways, they all fo back for the holidays. I'm about to Facebook him to see if he knows anything about this guy.

Soneca is exactly the same way. Lord help you if you are not pushing the pace.

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mmaguy30 149 Member Since: 6/16/07 Posts: 3457	Also, Jay Standish just published some photos to his FB and sent me notice of them... they CLEARLY show that he has wrassled for the navy and extensively in high school, for the schools he named, as well as several sectionals championships for the 135lb and 145 lb weight classes. You have ignored this user.

12/20/10 10:50 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
mmaguy30 149 Member Since: 6/16/07 Posts: 3458	I'm glad Dave has agreed to answer our questions... but the whole "I'll answer your questions later" is very Christian Darrow-esq I hope we are not about to go down that road again.... You have ignored this user.

12/20/10 10:50 PM

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Alumynabjj

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mmaguy30 - Just got this from dave lang...

David Lang December 20 at 10:42pm Report
Phil your questions i will answer after the holidays.
i did go back and forth from brasil as someone posted.

tell your unnamed source that i am sorry we took 4 people from his gym.

it is sad that people feel the need to lie.
i work very hard for what i have.
God bless

Ask him why he took off the Wallid Ismail reference and why his wrestling friend took his record off as well?

This is the original verbiage:

David Lang

Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Under Wallid Ismail and Black Belt in Judo Jiu Jitsu Under Gilbert Pouillart . 8-1 in mma fights, 78-1 in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu competition and 8-0 tai kick boxing.

12/20/10 10:51 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Lions of Atlanta 3 Edited: 12/20/10 10:52 PM Member Since: 10/8/10 Posts: 12	But it does look like they changed the website. It used to say more than what it does in that screen cap, right? *Edit- Looks like thats been covered. You have ignored this user.

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Alumynabjj Member Since: 12/15/09 Posts: 589	mmaguy30 - I'm glad Dave has agreed to answer our questions... but the whole "I'll answer your questions later" is very Christian Darrow-esq I hope we are not about to go down that road again.... MMAguy30-check my post. He has already removed the names of Wallid and the guy who gave him the black in Judo. He is a fraud. You have ignored this user.

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sideshowsteve666 62 Edited: 12/20/10 10:53 PM Member Since: 7/29/09 Posts: 98	WTF, did he just take the Wallid references off the site? As well as the 1500-9 or whatever wrestling record? -edit -yep, lol You have ignored this user.

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BJJkilla 6 Member Since: 6/29/09 Posts: 6098	changing the website isn't going to help him. if he wants to claim he's "legit", why would he take it off? You have ignored this user.

12/20/10 10:55 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
mmaguy30 149 Member Since: 6/16/07 Posts: 3459	This pic was just uploaded by jay... note the signatures.... You have ignored this user.

12/20/10 10:56 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Alumynabjj Member Since: 12/15/09 Posts: 590	BJJkilla - changing the website isn't going to help him. if he wants to claim he's "legit", why would he take it off? Because he is not legit and is full of shit. I would put a 1000 bucks that I could tap this fucker at will. I mean just whoop his ass. You have ignored this user.

12/20/10 10:58 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
mmaguy30 149 Member Since: 6/16/07 Posts: 3460	NO FUCKING SHIT.... They changed the website in the past 10 min.... screen cap the new and post next to the old... You have ignored this user.

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Alumynabjj Member Since: 12/15/09 Posts: 591	mmaguy30 - This pic was just uploaded by jay... note the signatures.... <img alt="" src="http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s119/pgizmo1/156828_179565415401721_100000447905994_575228_1767765_n.jpg" /> Does that say Gracie Combatives? Seriously? When in the hell did Wallid join the darkside of bjj? You have ignored this user.

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