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UnderGround Forum >> Shallow WMMA talent pool?
| 11/20/12 10:15 AM | |
Son of Neckbone
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Member Since: 1/18/04 Posts: 3209 |
The idea that there isn't a sufficient talent pool to support it is nonsense. When the UFC first started, it was an open weight class format, then incrementally added LHW, then MW, then LW, etc. Surely there are enough women fighters to have at least 2 weight classes and put on a single marquee fight per event. Compared to the 125 pound men's division, off the top of my head I can name Benevidez, Uncle Creepy, MMouse, and Jon Dodson. That is it for name recognition and I watch the fights a lot. Even without UFC exposure I can name 5 times as many female fighters to fill out a roster than men's flyweight produces. Rousey vs McMann or Cyborg is a marketable, quality main attraction that could carry an event as well or better than Sotiropoulis (sp?) vs Pearson, which is coming up in a few weeks on FX. Being honest, how many of you are more interested in watching GSot/Pearson than Rousey/Cyborg? |
| 11/20/12 10:18 AM | |
ABE FROMAN
Member Since: 12/15/02 Posts: 69640 |
Invicta. That is all. |
| 11/20/12 11:07 AM | |
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simonpe
Member Since: 11/26/11 Posts: 563 |
W-135 is deeper than M-125 
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| 11/20/12 2:50 PM | |
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Son of Neckbone
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Member Since: 1/18/04 Posts: 3213 |
simonpe - W-135 is deeper than M-125 No doubt, and their fights deliver more often than not. It would be a mistake to open up a 105, 115, 125, 135, 145, HW classes all at the same time, but Pride did just fine with a heavy and "middle" weight classes until the divisions develop to naturally expand out fully over the next decade or so. |
| 11/20/12 3:11 PM | |
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crowbar
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Edited: 11/20/12 3:25 PM Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 34739 |
UFC Flyweight division
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| 11/20/12 3:18 PM | |
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mister3mma
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Member Since: 9/3/12 Posts: 412 |
Ugh, dude, w out Rousey competing in mma this isn't even an issue. So if there is only legit star, there is not enough depth to justify multiple divis
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| 11/20/12 3:25 PM | |
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ABE FROMAN
Member Since: 12/15/02 Posts: 69655 |
Ryann Von Doom -ABE FROMAN - LOL, I was wondering what I did wrong...! |
| 11/20/12 3:29 PM | |
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crowbar
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 34740 |
I`m calling the OP out on his ability to name 5 times as many females.
The clock is ticking....GO! |
| 11/20/12 3:31 PM | |
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BruceLeroysLowKick
Member Since: 2/4/12 Posts: 6 |
Sex sells. Only way women are selling any PPV is if they fight topless in mud.
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| 11/20/12 3:36 PM | |
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crowbar
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 34741 |
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| 11/20/12 3:42 PM | |
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crowbar
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 34742 |
UFC page says there are 15,but you were not the one boasting. |
| 11/20/12 3:44 PM | |
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UGCTT_EnderTL
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Member Since: 11/23/10 Posts: 5991 |
The talent pool will grow at all levels now that it has a place in the largest organization. Rousey might be the only star right now, but WMMA will grow a lot in the next few years. |
| 11/20/12 3:45 PM | |
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crowbar
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| 11/20/12 3:47 PM | |
Fernando Alonso
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Member Since: 2/8/09 Posts: 8373 |
Build it they will come...
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| 11/20/12 5:23 PM | |
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Son of Neckbone
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Member Since: 1/18/04 Posts: 3216 |
crowbar - I'm pretty sure you were trying to disprove my theory, but I don't know who half these guys are. That is my point. I named the only 4 fighters at 125 that I could think of without going to UFC website, and yes, I can name 20 female MMA'ers that just about everyone on the UG would say have higher name recognition than say, Darren Uyenoyama or Yashuhiro Uriushitani. Here goes: UG's own Roxy Modaferri Rousey Cyborg McMann Girlla Liz Carmouche UG's own Bec Hyatt Carano Megumi Fujii Kelly Kobold Kaitlyn Young Julie Kedzie Baszler Marloes Coenen Tate Julia Budd Amanda Nunes Kaufman Tara Larosa Stephanie Frausto Zoila Gurgel. That's 20 without a stretch, without copying/pasting the Invicta website, without an internet search, all fighters that are easy to put a name and a face to. To be fair this across all weight classes, but like I said before the UFC only needs a marquee testing division to start with, likely 135, and the smaller fighters will have to bump up just like the men's divisions did before the wt class expansion. |
| 11/20/12 5:52 PM | |
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notsobigmike
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Member Since: 2/1/08 Posts: 5826 |
Not only is the overall talent pool thin, but it's still a VERY hard sell to the mainstream. UFC would be smartest just promoting one-off women's fights when there is a major marketable star or super fight. Let promotions like Invicta handle the bulk, scoop up the stars for lucrative, promotable matchups. |
| 11/20/12 6:05 PM | |
FOX Force Five
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Member Since: 11/12/11 Posts: 617 |
Fernando Alonso - Build it they will come... Beat me to it! With the women in the big show, it well may well inspire a whole new generation of female athletes to consider MMA. Invicta is a great show to bread newer pro talent, the UFC gets to showcase the upper echelon in title / title contention events. I don't think anyone expects to see a flood of female fights on the main card. |
| 11/20/12 6:09 PM | |
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toovie
Member Since: 1/21/12 Posts: 346 |
SavageNationFan - Yeah whatever dudeYou wouldnt say to to rousey or cyborg you would ask for a picture and u would make a fist at the camara and smile
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| 11/20/12 6:20 PM | |
dMo
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Member Since: 12/27/07 Posts: 1879 |
ABE FROMAN - This. I sure hope that the UFC doesnt get a hold of this entertaining org and fuck it up like all the rest they have swallowed up.
Voted up to make up for RVD's shitty mouse. |
| 11/20/12 6:25 PM | |
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MahatmaPetey
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Member Since: 3/13/02 Posts: 6537 |
Lots of divisions start off pretty shallow, but grow over time. Don't forget the first ever 185lbs title fight in the UFC was Dave Menne vs. Gil Castillo (underrated fight, btw). But with Strikeforce, Invicta, and to a lesser extent Bellator, UFC will have a solid base to start from. Eventually we'll even start to see mid-level bantamweight men getting sex changes to add even more depth to the women's roster. Imagine Rousey vs Faber in a couple years. That PPV will be huge. 
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| 11/20/12 6:58 PM | |
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dMo
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Member Since: 12/27/07 Posts: 1880 |
Fightmatrix current top 15 bantamweight females. 9 are currently with Invicta.
Rank ↑ ↓ Fighter (Age) Record |
| 11/21/12 1:44 AM | |
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Son of Neckbone
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Member Since: 1/18/04 Posts: 3217 |
Billytk - Sorry but just because the 125lb mens division has no interest doesn't mean that WMMA is any better. The womans division IS way too shallow for it to go anywhere, there is Cyborg then rousey then a gap in talent then Meisha and that's it, Caranno has been retired for ever which shows how weak the division is that someone trying to defend wmma still has to use her name. I don't think Carano is even 30 yet, and she retired as the consensus #2 in the world. She was also scheduled to fight on the Reem/Werdum undercard in 2011 but failed her prefight physical for an undisclosed reason. Doesn't sound like someone that "has been retired forever" and we will likely see her again, particularly if there is a huge paycheck and a fuckload of publicity for being the first WMMA main in the UFC vs someone polarizing like Rousey. |
| 11/21/12 4:26 AM | |
CHILLITACO
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Member Since: 7/10/10 Posts: 2351 |
ABE FROMAN -Invicta for the feeder :) Start slow... Personally I'm looking forward to the sots v Pearson card.
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| 11/21/12 4:30 AM | |
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MMALOGIC
Member Since: 8/17/08 Posts: 7069 |
I think Dana is hedging incase there's a backlash and if for some reason it doesnt work in the UFC. |
| 11/21/12 5:53 AM | |
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DreamerMMA
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Member Since: 11/19/05 Posts: 17602 |
WMMA is still in it's pioneer stage.
It's really not fair to expect them to have the same talent pool as the men at this stage.
Give them some time to develop and attract more sponsors and money.
Starting off with baby steps in the UFC is a good idea. |
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