UnderGround Forum >> You guys need to understand Cesar Gracie better.

greentrousers - you can pretty much say that about anyone famouse right now.

oh, dana white is not really like that, he is a genius because he gets people talk about him or ufc in any way good or bad.

oh, sonnen is not really like that, he is a genius because he gets people talk about him or his fights in any way good or bad.

oh, bill o'reilly is not really like that, he is a genius because he gets people talk about him or his show in any way good or bad.

oh, the kardashian is not really like that, she is a genius because she gets people talk about him or her show in any way good or bad.

Still waiting OP...    A liar or an idiot.  Which one are you?

digitdigit - Ummmmm, I thought his English is good because he's actually white?

Well fuckface?

Funny to see you on a Diaz/Cesar thread.  Still obsessed I see.

And no, not mad.  Just find it funny when people want to make a point about Nick/Cesar they usually have to resort to making things up.  You know, kind of like reasons as to why Nick is a top WW?  He made a statement that Cesar is Shields and Melendez's manager, does all their marketing, and is basically responsible for their success.  That couldn't be further from the truth. 

fightsfan - Cesar does have a great team of MMA guys and he does seem to be one of the more business savvy and calmer than some of the other Gracies.

What is the Cesar Gracie roster and what is the LLoyd Irvin roster of fighters since the op brouhgt him up.

Diaz Brothers

Jake Shields

Gilbert Melendez

Was Dave Terrell on his team at some point?

GSP'eedInMyMouth - lol i pm'd u

No you didn't but it's OK.  I'll assume you were using sarcasm when referring to him a a genius and all of his accomplishments/ duties regarding Jake and Gil.

Mitch Baker - Terrell is still the worst of all the Cesar Gracie affiliates that you could ever find yourself facing. Most people don't know that when he fully transitioned over to MMA he was the most decorated jiu-jitsu competitor in North America.

Our umbrella of affiliate schools is the home to a ton of both well known and relatively unknown jiu-jitsu and MMA talent.

Ha no...I assumed you were trolling and was waiting for a response, but by the looks of your vote downs, you likely get frozen fairly often.  I figured you were just on a 24 hour timeout.

A majority of Cesar news lately has been his falling out with Ciao.  I don't know the whole side but to see him come out and call names and refer to his former employee/partner as "sissy face" and "teenage girl pajama party whatever" or whatever was said shows his maturity level and bitterness over the situation.

GSP'eedInMyMouth - 

Mitch Baker - Terrell is still the worst of all the Cesar Gracie affiliates that you could ever find yourself facing. Most people don't know that when he fully transitioned over to MMA he was the most decorated jiu-jitsu competitor in North America.

Our umbrella of affiliate schools is the home to a ton of both well known and relatively unknown jiu-jitsu and MMA talent.

Mitch, can you clear up Cesar's relationship to Nick, Nate, Gil, and Jake. How much coaching and management does he do.

I admittedly have assumed some things and have heard others from reputable sources, but I always thought Cesar was the umbrella manager, coach, spokesperson for all those guys despite them having family management.

Mitch Baker - 

GSP'eedInMyMouth - 

Mitch Baker - Terrell is still the worst of all the Cesar Gracie affiliates that you could ever find yourself facing. Most people don't know that when he fully transitioned over to MMA he was the most decorated jiu-jitsu competitor in North America.

Our umbrella of affiliate schools is the home to a ton of both well known and relatively unknown jiu-jitsu and MMA talent.

Mitch, can you clear up Cesar's relationship to Nick, Nate, Gil, and Jake. How much coaching and management does he do.

I admittedly have assumed some things and have heard others from reputable sources, but I always thought Cesar was the umbrella manager, coach, spokesperson for all those guys despite them having family management.

There's a lot to this but in a nutshell, the Cesar affiliate "scene" is kind of a hub and spoke type thing. Concord is the hub. Thats where all of the coaches that run their own spoke site academies came from (there is at least 1 substantial exception).

Each spoke site has it's own head, Terrell runs NCFA, Nick/Nate run Lodi, Gilbert runs SF, etc... Each of these gyms have their own fighters and basically are run as a stand alone entity.

However, there is fierce loyalty to "the affiliation" by all of the spoke gyms and it comes from the old school, "one flag" mentality and the political nature of team allegiance that a lot of people don't understand and cant really relate to.

As far as Cesar goes, he has a ton of personal time invested in guys like Nick/Nate/Gilber/Jake and he speaks on their behalf quite a bit.

I remember years ago when I was training with Bohlander; Cesar and his guys were like the bad guys from Karate Kid. Seems like thats the stigma we still maintain to a lot of the world. We're not bad guys. We just have a bunch of crazy dudes in charge. : )

Good info... Say for instance Nate has his fight coming up this weekend.  Does most of his training happen at he and Nicks gym in Lodi, and then Gil and Jake will come there to help?  Or will they train out of Cesars gym or bounce around?

I've noticed in Gilbert and Shields fights that Cesar doesn't even corner them.  Is this correct?  I know that Jake is the one in the cage helping out and I see different trainers versus when Nick or Nate are fighting.