UnderGround Forum >> WarMachine accusing Lloyd Irvin of rape

Timothyk - Do you really think this girl went over to hang out with a bunch of dudes, and not have sex with any of them? Do you know how many girls have trains run on them? Or like to be hit while fucked? Or lie about rape to soothe parent anger?

2JupitersTooMany - 

Reinhardt, this is the mistake loyal members of the flock made making apologies at Penn State for Sandusky.  If you want to risk your reputation by making excuses for a guy who hid a rape story and promoted rape prevention classes, go for it.

X_Rated - 

Timothyk - I think bish came over with the intent to fuck, got tipsy, one thing lead to another, no one ever said no, and at the end of the event she called rape to calm the parents.

While she's not without fault... why as a guy would you think that's a good idea? Control your dick ... seriously

LiveFromThe7x7 - Brian Banks was in prison for YEARS. He was convicted of rape. UG'ers would say, "He was convicted in a court of law. Case closed."

But yet...

http://larrybrownsports.com/everything-else/brian-banks-false-rape-charge-overturned/137568

Diazed And Confused -

Masturbasian - back in 1990 LI was accused of gang rape he got no charges coz of limp dick.

the rest of the 'gang' all got charged 5+ years i think but he was let off due to his defense of not being able to get hard.

So they "softened" the punishment?

Steven S -

Sounds like a great school and an even better "leader" 

WoodenPupa - Utilitarian arguments usually entail exotic thought experiments, which is why I don't weigh them too much.

For example, you could say, "Which future world do you want, a world in which ONE woman is harmed, but THOUSANDS are helped and empowered; OR, a world in which ONE woman is unharmed, but THOUSANDS of others unhelped and unempowered? DECIDE!!"

In this simple calculus, the events are treated as causally finished. So sure, in SUCH a world, I would take the numerically greater good over the bad. But the problem is, THIS world is not such a world. The far-reaching consequences are incalculable; basically, we live in a world of butterfly effects and we cannot know the global consequences of batting an eyelash much less helping or harming a single person.

It seems better to me to live by moral principles that address what we can calculate within reasonable horizons. And backward glances cannot count as part of the calculus of utilitarian estimations, because the reasoning is post-hoc and essentially derived from running a convenient thought experiment in which ALL the consequences are calculated.

LittleC - Wow. A ten page thread about a guy who DIDNT fuck somebody 20 years ago. And somehow that translates into him promoting rape within the academy.

2JupitersTooMany -

WoodenPupa - The web page that has the story we're deriving all the info from regarding the 1990 case has related articles with more info, such as:

http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-04-20/news/9004200218_1_irvin-gang-rape-case-two-men

Blue namer please?

Here's a quote: "At one point, one of the men talked about how easy it would be to toss the slightly built, 5-foot-2-inch woman over the balcony. She said she was watching television when one of the men asked her to step into the bedroom so he could talk to her.

The woman said that man and a friend began pulling her clothes off and forcing her onto the bed. She said one man had oral sex with her while the other had sexual intercourse with her.

"I couldn't breathe and I couldn't understand why they were doing this to me," she said.

Other men came in and raped her repeatedly, she said. After the group left, Gatling and Irvin came in and closed the door behind them, she said.

"I was lying on the bed crying," the woman testified, maintaining her composure. "I was trying to figure out what I was going to do."

At that point, she said, Irvin began having sexual intercourse with her while Gatling held her down and forced her to have oral sex with him. The girl said she did not cry out for help because she was afraid one of the men might follow through with the threat to throw her off the balcony."

Brutal.

Testimony like this, channeled through an old news outlet, is of course worth nothing and anyone disturbed by it should consult the Master before passing judgment. After all, we weren't there and the whole thing was probably a silly misunderstanding.

Fedors Jim Jams -

Escopeta - Good Lord. Lloyd Irvin Rape Academy. Fuck him and his students.

lloyd irvin is a piece of shit and so is anyone who supports him and his rape academy. the only thing worse than a rapist is a pedophile. fuck anyone who thinks otherwise.

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Timothyk - Do you really think this girl went over to hang out with a bunch of dudes, and not have sex with any of them? Do you know how many girls have trains run on them? Or like to be hit while fucked? Or lie about rape to soothe parent anger?

Do you know how retarded you'd have to be to be a 20 something year old guy and think "hmm having group sex with this 17 year old girl who has been drinking all night definitely sounds like a good idea"

Timothyk - Do you really think this girl went over to hang out with a bunch of dudes, and not have sex with any of them? Do you know how many girls have trains run on them? Or like to be hit while fucked? Or lie about rape to soothe parent anger?

Jason Reinhardt - this dissapoints me. (if true) However, college kids do some realy really dumb shit, and if this did happen, i am sure Lloyd regrets its terribly. Think about this everyone: First of all, let me say this...I do not condone or even think this kind of thing is the least bit funny nor do i take it lightly. it actually discusts me. (just remember, yes, certain girls do sometimes place themselves in compromising situations and some may say "they asked for it" I don't personally believe any woman "asked for it". Here's what i want to get accross....
just remember, these party girls are someones daughter, someones sister, someones granddaughter ect..., and should be respected as such.
If Lloyed was involved in something like this, think of all what he's given back to society. Think of all the kids lives he's touched and changed. Think of all the positive motivation and adult lives he's changed through jiujitsu and martial arts. We have all done stupid shit at one time or another. Some worse than others. That story sickens me. It really does.
i have heard Lloyd is a good man today as a MAN, (not a college kid) I sure hope it's not true. But if it is, i try and look at how Lloyd leads his lie now, as opposed to some college "party kid". Lloyd contributes a lot to society in helping improve and touch lives. Perhaps he said to himself, "i have to give back for the mistakes i made"? who knows.