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Ray Elbe 35 Member Since: 5/12/03 Posts: 9942	Im not gonna comment on the rape issues, but I will say Master Lloyd has changed lives through sharing marketing secrets and is a successful business mentor, and coach. You have ignored this user.

1/10/13 4:56 PM

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Kings21 4 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Timothyk - Do you really think this girl went over to hang out with a bunch of dudes, and not have sex with any of them? Do you know how many girls have trains run on them? Or like to be hit while fucked? Or lie about rape to soothe parent anger?

Let me guess, no means yes to you.

I dated a girl for a few months and one night we were drunk at my house. Her friend was passed out in my room and we wanted to fuck so we went downstairs. As we started foolin around she turned to me and said "I want you to rape me". It freaked me out so I just kinda backed away and said we'd talk about it in the morning.

Morning came and neither of us brought it up again and I doubt she even remembered saying it. Anyways a few months later we broke up and she came over one day and started telling me how her friend (a guy) watched his friend rape her at the beach. I didnt believe it was an actual rape. Maybe it was but I doubt it.

Anyways my point is that those kinds of girls DO exist and false rape accusations happen. I'm not trying to defend rapists and I think that guys that rape girls should have their cocks cut off and suffer an eternity of having big cock shoved up their ass but to just dismiss the fact that some girls like it rough and actually want to be "raped" is just silly.

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Twostep 10 Member Since: 3/19/09 Posts: 2811	LOL at the defense attorneys coming in trying to get a client. Lloyd ain't gonna hire you off the underground. You have ignored this user.

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higherprimate718 Member Since: 10/30/12 Posts: 16	holy fuck. this is gonna be so bad for jiu jitsu You have ignored this user.

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Bentleysuper8 149 Edited: 01/10/13 5:11 PM Member Since: 4/9/05 Posts: 2017	Jason Reinhardt - i have heard Lloyd is a good man today as a MAN, (not a college kid) I sure hope it's not true. But if it is, i try and look at how Lloyd leads his lie now, as opposed to some college "party kid". There's a Freudian slip if I ever saw one. You have ignored this user.

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kid chaos 9 Member Since: 7/24/09 Posts: 1525	higherprimate718 - holy fuck. this is gonna be so bad for jiu jitsu I seriously doubt it You have ignored this user.

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higherprimate718 Member Since: 10/30/12 Posts: 17	kid chaos - higherprimate718 - holy fuck. this is gonna be so bad for jiu jitsu I seriously doubt it you think this isint gonna be blown up in the media?! "Do mma fighters rape?". Some ignorant ass headline line that You have ignored this user.

1/10/13 5:15 PM

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I now understand why Li's statement was so reserved and full of psuedo legal speak nonsense. It's odd that two of his students were caught up in similar behavior, maybe it's just a numbers game as he has so many students...but it's odd enough that I'd be reluctant to have my daughter train at any of his schools.
Has anyone confirmed this is the same Lloyd Irvin?
Are his statements/testimony publicly available?

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Obie1FaShobie 21 Member Since: 2/16/12 Posts: 802	You have ignored this user.

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mmaattorney 4 Member Since: 11/27/12 Posts: 135	Wow!!!!! You have ignored this user.

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2JupitersTooMany 703 Member Since: 5/14/06 Posts: 31758	mmaattorney - Wow!!!!! Crap, another attorney. You have ignored this user.

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mdavid01 - I now understand why Li's statement was so reserved and full of psuedo legal speak nonsense. It's odd that two of his students were caught up in similar behavior, maybe it's just a numbers game as he has so many students...but it's odd enough that I'd be reluctant to have my daughter train at any of his schools.
Has anyone confirmed this is the same Lloyd Irvin?
Are his statements/testimony publicly available?

I don't want to join a lynch mob, but I have a little info to offer. I work for a background check company, so out of curiosity I looked up his name to see if his age matched (surprisingly it was not listed anywhere else online).

There is a Lloyd E. Irvin who is the right age and lives 10 miles from his academy, and has professional boxing, wrestling and cut man licenses. That person has a criminal record listing, but it is expunged, so I have no details. Earlier in the thread somebody posted a link to an article on bloodyelbow. That article had some pretty incriminating info. It's hard to believe the person in question is not THE Lloyd Irvin.

1/10/13 5:38 PM

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kid chaos 9 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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higherprimate718 -
kid chaos -
higherprimate718 - holy fuck. this is gonna be so bad for jiu jitsu
I seriously doubt it

you think this isint gonna be blown up in the media?! "Do mma fighters rape?". Some ignorant ass headline line that

They aren't MMA fighters. I just can't see it getting too out of hand with the media. Bringing up a 20 year old story for loyd.
But the other two POS I don't know Phone Post

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Another Foob -
mdavid01 - I now understand why Li's statement was so reserved and full of psuedo legal speak nonsense. It's odd that two of his students were caught up in similar behavior, maybe it's just a numbers game as he has so many students...but it's odd enough that I'd be reluctant to have my daughter train at any of his schools.
Has anyone confirmed this is the same Lloyd Irvin?
Are his statements/testimony publicly available?

I don't want to join a lynch mob, but I have a little info to offer. I work for a background check company, so out of curiosity I looked up his name to see if his age matched (surprisingly it was not listed anywhere else online).

There is a Lloyd E. Irvin who is the right age and lives 10 miles from his academy, and has professional boxing, wrestling and cut man licenses. That person has a criminal record listing, but it is expunged, so I have no details. Earlier in the thread somebody posted a link to an article on bloodyelbow. That article had some pretty incriminating info. It's hard to believe the person in question is not THE Lloyd Irvin.

good investigation skills foob. It is seeming to be apparent that it is the Lloyd we all know. Looks like he may be needing to pawn his fancy italian shoes soon.

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TexDeuce 138 Member Since: 7/15/04 Posts: 19065	Bentleysuper8 - Jason Reinhardt - i have heard Lloyd is a good man today as a MAN, (not a college kid) I sure hope it's not true. But if it is, i try and look at how Lloyd leads his lie now, as opposed to some college "party kid". There's a Freudian slip if I ever saw one. Lolol You have ignored this user.

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2JupitersTooMany -
Mark Hunter - OK, just one more attorney to chime in. How about this: None of us were in the room that night, so none of us on this thread have a clue what happened. Maybe the girl was telling the whole truth . . . maybe she wasn't. Same for the guys, including Lloyd Irvin. Bottom line: we have no clue.

Since we can't know, and Lloyd Irvin was not convicted, then perhaps this is a good time to wind this post down. I'm sure, if Lloyd Irvin could, he'd go back in time and handle that night differently. He can't . . . let's move on. Just a thought.

A jury convicted his friends of rape and he was there, and now he has two students in jail for something remarkably similar. That we can know. The details are probably lost now, and Lloyd would certainly say he'd "handle that night differently" as would anyone in this shitty position, but for God's sake, you think it's appropriate to just "move on?"

What does this mean in layman's terms: "Although the jurors found Gatling guilty of forcible sodomy, there was not enough evidence to convict either man of rape."

So it looks to me like nobody was convicted of rape. Is there another article I'm missing?

Anyway, this stuff is very confusing to a layman. What does "forcible sodomy" mean if not rape?

And then later in the article it says:

""I feel the girl was raped," said Bessie Singleton, another juror. "But the room where this happened was dark, and with all that was going on, it was unclear who was doing what."

What a nightmare the legal world must be. The jurors agree that a rape took place, but can't agree on who to blame?

I guess that is related to the fact that, "at least seven men" allegedly participated, but only Gatlin and Irvin went on trial? That doesn't look good for Lloyd; I wonder how he ended up being one of the merely 2 out of the entire 7 that got accused.

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WoodenPupa 56 Member Since: 7/24/02 Posts: 7315	Crap. What I mean is, out of 7 alleged, how he became one of the two that went on trial. You have ignored this user.

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MTH 35 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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WoodenPupa - Anyway, this stuff is very confusing to a layman. What does "forcible sodomy" mean if not rape?

And then later in the article it says:

. . . . I wonder how he ended up being one of the merely 2 out of the entire 7 that got accused.

Generally, "rape" refers to forcible vaginal penetration, whereas "sodomy" refers to forcible penetration elsewhere. I'm sure Wikipedia has articles that provide more technical distinctions if you care to look.

There could be a few explanations for why the other five participants weren't tried like Irvin and Gatling. The most likely is that they pleaded guilty, so no trial was required for them.

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WoodenPupa 56 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Just some general thoughts---

"Rape" in non-legal terms, to me, means continuing with the act of sex after the girl says no. Doesn't this converge on the legal definition in most states as well?

The point being, it doesn't matter how "freaky" any girl is, or what she requests, PRIOR to her saying no. In other words, she can change her mind at ANY point just before or even during the act. Once she says no, you have to get off. There's no interpretation allowed.

And if she doesn't verbally say "no" but you are being pushed off, even a little, you have to ask if everything is alright, in order to clarify what is happening and what she wants.

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MTH -
WoodenPupa - Anyway, this stuff is very confusing to a layman. What does "forcible sodomy" mean if not rape?

And then later in the article it says:

. . . . I wonder how he ended up being one of the merely 2 out of the entire 7 that got accused.

Generally, "rape" refers to forcible vaginal penetration, whereas "sodomy" refers to forcible penetration elsewhere. I'm sure Wikipedia has articles that provide more technical distinctions if you care to look.

There could be a few explanations for why the other five participants weren't tried like Irvin and Gatling. The most likely is that they pleaded guilty, so no trial was required for them.

Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. Thanks, that makes sense.

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WoodenPupa 56 Member Since: 7/24/02 Posts: 7318	What I don't understand is the usefulness of the distinction "forcible sodomy" from "rape." The orifice matters? You have ignored this user.

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WoodenPupa 56 Member Since: 7/24/02 Posts: 7319	Right. Which kind of makes it a holdover from puritan ethics (the "crimes against nature" term), not that this really matters in the case in question. You have ignored this user.

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WoodenPupa 56 Member Since: 7/24/02 Posts: 7320	Wouldn't Lloyd at least be charged with something like "attempted rape"? I just can't process the limp dick defense. I can't really process law at all though, which is one reason I stayed out of trouble in my teens and early 20's. You have ignored this user.

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2JupitersTooMany 703 Member Since: 5/14/06 Posts: 31760	In typing out of my ass on a phone but I don't think there is such thing, unlike in the case of myrder, as a charge for attempted rape. I was thinking an abetting charge would be tagged on but who knows. You have ignored this user.

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WoodenPupa 56 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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I got this hit from Virginia law code:

" § 18.2-67.5. Attempted rape, forcible sodomy, object sexual penetration, aggravated sexual battery, and sexual battery.

A. An attempt to commit rape, forcible sodomy, or inanimate or animate object sexual penetration shall be punishable as a Class 4 felony.

B. An attempt to commit aggravated sexual battery shall be a felony punishable as a Class 6 felony.

C. An attempt to commit sexual battery is a Class 1 misdemeanor.

(1981, c. 397; 1993, c. 549.)

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-67.5

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