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BEEF & CHEESE - This is Philip Proctor, the author of the post on the TPI forum that has been reposted here.

I wish to immediately apologize for the insensitivity I demonstrated while writing on an issue that I have no first-hand knowledge of. I have offended many with my reactive and juvenile choice of words. I was responding with anger and in a knee jerk manner, in the defense of a man I have great respect for. I know this apology does not excuse me and I take accountability for my actions. As soon as I posted, I thought better of what I had written. When I tried to edit what I had written my attempts were denied by the TPI website.

As I was writing I was jumping to conclusions. I have not spoken to anyone on my team about these issues. In fact, it has been several years since I’ve been on the mat at the team’s main school. My actions in this situation should not reflect badly on any of the thousands of excellent people on my team, from beginner to advanced, whitebelt to blackbelt.

The past several days have been painful for me and my team. Like you all, I want healing for victims and justice for anyone guilty of a crime. The last thing I want to be is a burden to my team.
-Philip Proctor

I don't know you, or Mr Irvin (Outside a brief meeting at worlds) but...

You called a fucking rape victim who was under age a DIRTY WHORE (then mentioned you have daughters) and have the nerve to mention the past days have been tough on you and your team? Damn bro...

 

 

1/13/13 11:14 PM
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SasquatchShaman - Lloyd Irvin is the one accused of rape here.
Phil Proctor raped no one.
If any of your friends or mentors were accused of something horrible, you would be angry and defend them just like Phil did. He is getting more shit for a angry post that he apologized for.
lol no

By the way, here's a link containing to police report in the more recent rape for any of you fellows predisposed to suspect rape victims of being willing participants.

http://www.fightopinion.com/2013/01/12/court-lloyd-irvin-students-rape/ Phone Post
1/13/13 11:14 PM
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Madrugadao - So this is still about the guy that was found innocent right? Was he convicted of any crime?

I have heard no mention of him doing time but have also heard he was only found innocent because he couldn't get it up.

So if you are involved in a forceful rape but do not penetrate the victim, you get off scott free?

Something about this whole thing does not add up.

This is a summary by UGCTT_Fillthy from the WarMachine accusing LI of rape thread.

UGCTT_Fillthy -

"Master" Irvin participated in the gang-rape of an underage girl in 1990. He was acquitted by exploiting a loophole in the law regarding his actions as an accessory to the gang-rape by claiming that although he wished to participate in the beating, rape, and forced sodomy of a 17 year old girl, he was temporarily unable to achieve an erection. Jurors asked if they could convict Lloyd Irvin of lesser charges, but were denied by the judge when attorneys agreed that it would be grounds for appeal.He has never publicly apologized for his actions, or taken any responsibility. Five of his co-conspirators were convicted and sentenced.

When two of his students violently beat and raped a female student from his academy, he closed his public web-pages, quickly purchased the domain 'LloydIrvinRape.com', and issued several news releases regarding his rape-prevention seminars. This was an overt attempt to control search-engine results and further bury his despicable actions. He then brought his public pages back online and immediately deleted any questions regarding his prior history as an enthusiastic participant in gang-rape. This is the person that you are supporting by attending his seminars or enrolling in his schools. He is without an ethical backbone, and an unfit role model. He is the lowest form of a man. He is a disgrace to any sport , activity, or person with whom he associates.

 

The jury NEVER asked if they could convict LI of a lesser charge. They asked that about the other defendent without mention of LI.

 

We have to keep to facts rather than just letting every guy with a keyboard "summarize", extrapolate and invent things. It's a bad enough story without lying.


He was mistaken, but most certainly not "lying." Since his view is that Lloyd is a scumbag, he sure as hell would not have "invented" a fact that CAN’T make Lloyd look any worse.

If he were predisposed to smearing Lloyd at all costs, he would have told a lie that smeared him worse. Rape was the highest charge the jury could even consider in this case, and so UGCTT Fillthy could hardly have been telling a lie which presented the idea that the jury was considering a lesser charge.

Nota bene. The jury did not ask for a lesser charge in Lloyd's case, because no lesser charge was available given the testimony. The girl testified that "Gatling held her head and forced her to perform oral sex while Irvin had sexual intercourse with her."

http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-04-21/news/9004210056_1_irvin-two-men-young-woman

The jury considered a lesser charge for Gatling because his sexual act was oral (which falls under the category of sodomy). Irvin was charged, because only chargeable, with rape, because his alleged sexual act was "intercourse" which means, legally, NOT oral or anal.

By all means insist on factual accuracy; this is a virtue and using words carefully should be the practice of everyone in matters like this. But use your common sense too. UGCTT_Fillthy isn't making anything up. If he were, he would make something up that would make Lloyd look worse. You are guilty of your own complaint: “extrapolating” UGCTT’s intentions. But I find your complaint bad as well. "Extrapolating" in itself isn't bad. It's "bad extrapolation" that is, ie, bad inferences. You made a bad inference and as a result unfairly called somebody a liar.

For the record, and the passage showing you are correct about what was reported: “Jurors sent out a note about 6:40 p.m. asking whether they could convict Gatling of a lesser offense. They made no reference to Irvin.”

(same link as above)
1/13/13 11:18 PM
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Wow... couldn't read the whole police report...

1/13/13 11:18 PM
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Lloyd seems to have a knack for attracting one shitbag after another.

 

Coincidence?

1/13/13 11:20 PM
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Holy shit @ Phil Proctor. When damage control goes wrong...
1/13/13 11:20 PM
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SasquatchShaman - Lloyd Irvin is the one accused of rape here.
Phil Proctor raped no one.
If any of your friends or mentors were accused of something horrible, you would be angry and defend them just like Phil did. He is getting more shit for a angry post that he apologized for.

Mr Proctor called the rape victim a dirty whore on a public forum.

As a public figure and business owner, he is going to get some heat for that.

 

These two should get fucking raped....

Defendant’s name: Schultz, Nicholas (Nick)
Male, Hispanic, 10-25-1991, 5′4″, 135 pounds, brown eyes, black hair

Defendant’s name: Maldonado, Matthew (Mateo)
Male, Hispanic, 4-3-1986, 5′5″, 135 pounds, brown eyes, black hair
 

1/13/13 11:23 PM
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12SixElbow - 

Wow... couldn't read the whole police report...


Tell me about it. The fact that they had to keep picking her unconscious body up off the floor of a parking garage to brutalize her after repeatedly dropping her on her head while passed out is a dead giveaway that there was no consent here.

1/13/13 11:23 PM
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SasquatchShaman - Lloyd Irvin is the one accused of rape here.
Phil Proctor raped no one.
If any of your friends or mentors were accused of something horrible, you would be angry and defend them just like Phil did. He is getting more shit for a angry post that he apologized for.

Then he should of shut his fuckin mouth instead of calling the girl a dirty whore who deserved it, no?


He did not say the girl deserved to be raped, he suggested that she consented and then pulled a Duke lacrosse team.
He apologized for it.
He raped no one.
1/13/13 11:26 PM
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BEEF & CHEESE - This is Philip Proctor, the author of the post on the TPI forum that has been reposted here.

I wish to immediately apologize for the insensitivity I demonstrated while writing on an issue that I have no first-hand knowledge of. I have offended many with my reactive and juvenile choice of words. I was responding with anger and in a knee jerk manner, in the defense of a man I have great respect for. I know this apology does not excuse me and I take accountability for my actions. As soon as I posted, I thought better of what I had written. When I tried to edit what I had written my attempts were denied by the TPI website.

As I was writing I was jumping to conclusions. I have not spoken to anyone on my team about these issues. In fact, it has been several years since I’ve been on the mat at the team’s main school. My actions in this situation should not reflect badly on any of the thousands of excellent people on my team, from beginner to advanced, whitebelt to blackbelt.

The past several days have been painful for me and my team. Like you all, I want healing for victims and justice for anyone guilty of a crime. The last thing I want to be is a burden to my team.
-Philip Proctor

Imagine if one of your daughters were in that poor girl's shoes. Shameful, to say the least.

1/13/13 11:29 PM
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2JupitersTooMany - 
SasquatchShaman - Lloyd Irvin is the one accused of rape here.
Phil Proctor raped no one.
If any of your friends or mentors were accused of something horrible, you would be angry and defend them just like Phil did. He is getting more shit for a angry post that he apologized for.
lol no

By the way, here's a link containing to police report in the more recent rape for any of you fellows predisposed to suspect rape victims of being willing participants.

http://www.fightopinion.com/2013/01/12/court-lloyd-irvin-students-rape/ Phone Post

That police report (new window)

 

Just damn.

1/13/13 11:32 PM
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2JupitersTooMany - 
SasquatchShaman - Lloyd Irvin is the one accused of rape here.
Phil Proctor raped no one.
If any of your friends or mentors were accused of something horrible, you would be angry and defend them just like Phil did. He is getting more shit for a angry post that he apologized for.
lol no

By the way, here's a link containing to police report in the more recent rape for any of you fellows predisposed to suspect rape victims of being willing participants.

http://www.fightopinion.com/2013/01/12/court-lloyd-irvin-students-rape/ Phone Post

That police report (new window)

 

Just damn.


While continuing to engage in sexual intercourse with the Complainant, Defendant Schultz then grabbed the Complainant around her neck in a choke hold.

 

1/13/13 11:36 PM
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T-Ham - 

You called a woman who was gang raped a dirty whore.

 

 

The fuck is wrong with you?


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1/13/13 11:45 PM
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what phil said wasn't the brightest thing but having trained under him and being a friend, i know it was just a mishap.


seems to me the ones with the least amount of heat on them right now publicly are schultz and maldanado and that disgusting Phone Post
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Mike Russell - 

I'm amazed by the number of men who, without any evidence of such, immeditately rush to judgment calling the victim things like "dirty whore, slut, and skank."

 

I have three daughters and it's incidents like these and the reactions of people that make me want them to live in my house until they are married.


This always confuses me as well, the guys were found guilty in the 90s case...

Whats the problem?

 

One guy in a different thread said he had "TONS" of friends who have been accused of rape,

I don't know who you people hangout with, but I don't run with the gang rape a girl after she passes out crowd


Confused as well gentlemen. It blows my mind.

"The trial from 1990 is news to me..."

So this miserable fuck-stick Procter has not even so much as read all of the very clear-cut EVIDENCE that has been presented about Irvin on this very forum?!?

Any man worth spit in Irvins case/scenario would have rescued that 17-year old female victim. Not been let off on a limp-dick technicality in court cause he "wanted to join in" but couldn't "perform".

This x infinity. Pretty much sums up my thoughts on everything.
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Defenestrator - Gang raping is so gay. I just don't grasp the appeal of being naked with other men in the room having sex.

If you're digging a hole with your buddy and your shovels clink together do you act dismayed and run away? No, you keep digging, brah!!!

 

Day one of the Lloyrd Irvin rape prevention seminar begins like this:

 

 

 

1/13/13 11:58 PM
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Defenestrator - Gang raping is so gay. I just don't grasp the appeal of being naked with other men in the room having sex.

Not even that how can you fuck some one who is crying and trying to fight you off?

How could that possibly be a turn on.
1/13/13 11:58 PM
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you get a black belt in rape prevention from master lloyd when you can prevent master lloyd from raping you

I have not been able to achieve the rank yet but practice makes perfect

it's always a surprise test though damn it

1/14/13 12:14 AM
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Madrugadao - "This is a summary by UGCTT_Fillthy from the WarMachine accusing LI of rape thread."

Thanks, but as reasonable an explanation as this sounds, this is just a dude on the net, where did this info come from?

Read that thread; the sources are named throughout, and can all be reached by a link given on the first page.

Thanks. I thought by my referencing the other thread by name, he'd go take a look. Silly me.
1/14/13 12:15 AM
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T-Ham - 

You called a woman who was gang raped a dirty whore.

 

 

The fuck is wrong with you?


This is the fucking point. How is anyone not getting this?
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TheMentalisT - Pic of Phil Proctor receiving his Black Belt from Lloyd..........AND learning how to untie a GI with the quickness in case of another rape frenzy by TEAM RAPE CHOKE!


http://mixedmartialartsintowsonmaryland.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/philbb.jpg

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

7 guys are surrounding him in the room... COINCIDENCE?! I think he's actually undressing him...

1/14/13 12:40 AM
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cheesesteak - So why doesn't Lloyd tell everyone he did no such thing and go shove it? Wouldn't that be the wisest thing for him?

well alot of factors would play into it,how he said it,his response,how ppl will take it,possible backlash,so yea prob best thing is to just be quiet and stick to the statement he released bout the rape his students did.......for now
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TFIHY - Well I guess if Anon has to come clean up this and make it more public because mma/bjj news/forum sites are protecting Lloyd Irvin...then so be it. Hide yo kids, hide yo wife. They've been made aware.

You can join in on alerting them on twitter:
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Good, fuck these losers
*grins* Phone Post
1/14/13 12:56 AM
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if you really want to fuck lloyd up your best bet would be to email local tv news services/newspapers in his area of operation and tell them that a local martial arts instructor is conducting rape prevention seminars while himself being let off rape charge on technicality plus 2 studends raping a fellow student recently would make for an interesting news segment

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BEEF & CHEESE - This is Philip Proctor, the author of the post on the TPI forum that has been reposted here.

I wish to immediately apologize for the insensitivity I demonstrated while writing on an issue that I have no first-hand knowledge of. I have offended many with my reactive and juvenile choice of words. I was responding with anger and in a knee jerk manner, in the defense of a man I have great respect for. I know this apology does not excuse me and I take accountability for my actions. As soon as I posted, I thought better of what I had written. When I tried to edit what I had written my attempts were denied by the TPI website.

As I was writing I was jumping to conclusions. I have not spoken to anyone on my team about these issues. In fact, it has been several years since I’ve been on the mat at the team’s main school. My actions in this situation should not reflect badly on any of the thousands of excellent people on my team, from beginner to advanced, whitebelt to blackbelt.

The past several days have been painful for me and my team. Like you all, I want healing for victims and justice for anyone guilty of a crime. The last thing I want to be is a burden to my team.
-Philip Proctor

Seems sincere (note: not really)

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