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1/14/13 10:16 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Ocean6 9 Member Since: 12/26/07 Posts: 6649	Dillon70 - i'm not going to defend either side. the bottom line is NO ONE HERE knows what happened. the mods should drop this... Let me guess, TLI? You have ignored this user.

1/14/13 10:21 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
ValeTudo020 19 Member Since: 7/30/02 Posts: 3007	I'm pretty shocked. Phil is a good guy but the "dirty whore" comment was inexcusable. The best thing anyone from LI who isn't Lloyd is to keep quiet. You have ignored this user.

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Arecsa 14 Member Since: 3/22/03 Posts: 4996	Disgusting. Hopefully he has a shit-storm coming his way for these disgraceful comments. You have ignored this user.

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6ULDV8 221 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 14148	No, it's ok if he calls women dirty whores, because he has daughters. You have ignored this user.

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disbeliever 138 Member Since: 9/27/03 Posts: 21194 Mixed Martial Arts LLC, Moderator	ValeTudo020 - I'm pretty shocked. Phil is a good guy but the "dirty whore" comment was inexcusable. The best thing anyone from LI who isn't Lloyd is to keep quiet. You have ignored this user.

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Fabes 91 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 44273 Mixed Martial Arts LLC, Moderator	6ULDV8 - No, it's ok if he calls women dirty whores, because he has daughters. I still can't believe he was stupid enough to post that. I am full of the disbelief. You have ignored this user.

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octowussy Member Since: 8/12/10 Posts: 2258	Boy, I wish I had a daughter so I could be an unabashed misogynistic rape-apologist. You have ignored this user.

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confusionSay 9 Member Since: 9/21/11 Posts: 269	he had me agreeing until "dirty whore." 17-year-olds who find themselves in that situation are probably horny and foolish--like everyone was at 17 You have ignored this user.

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ArthurKnoqOut 53 Member Since: 9/6/10 Posts: 2173	so basically he agrees that TLI = bud light and tacky in terms of his "SEO super secret marketing"? You have ignored this user.

1/14/13 11:38 AM

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justinM 3 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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My gym just reached a 6 figure income after years of struggling and while looking for more advice on continuing my growth in 2013 I was just looking into the Lloyd Irvin success system and seminars. I was all but sold on it and I saw this thread. A good friend once taught me to not put money and things above my values and principles. It is sad that it is so difficult if not impossible to find a true mentor with good morals and values in the BJJ/MMA community :(

1/14/13 11:42 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
canadiankid Member Since: 2/22/11 Posts: 47	effinggoof - Lloyd Irvin is a rapist. Phil Proctor is a goof. You have ignored this user.

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jmoney81 Member Since: 4/2/05 Posts: 92	Marcos Avellan of Freestyle Fighting Academy posted on FB that he supports Lloyd Irvin MMA 100%. The Avellan brothers put out great informative videos, and seem like good guys, but considering the situation, why post this? You have ignored this user.

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Nitecrawler 737 Member Since: 6/3/03 Posts: 49319 Mixed Martial Arts LLC, Moderator	Damn, this situation just keeps getting more and more surreal. Crazy shit You have ignored this user.

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ATAP 1 Member Since: 4/22/11 Posts: 39	Not for nothing, I'd bet Lloyd will try to use SEO to bury this somehow.. You have ignored this user.

1/14/13 11:57 AM

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suess 93 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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justinM - My gym just reached a 6 figure income after years of struggling and while looking for more advice on continuing my growth in 2013 I was just looking into the Lloyd Irvin success system and seminars. I was all but sold on it and I saw this thread. A good friend once taught me to not put money and things above my values and principles. It is sad that it is so difficult if not impossible to find a true mentor with good morals and values in the BJJ/MMA community :(

good luck, man. props

1/14/13 11:57 AM

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justinM - My gym just reached a 6 figure income after years of struggling and while looking for more advice on continuing my growth in 2013 I was just looking into the Lloyd Irvin success system and seminars. I was all but sold on it and I saw this thread. A good friend once taught me to not put money and things above my values and principles. It is sad that it is so difficult if not impossible to find a true mentor with good morals and values in the BJJ/MMA community :(

Your friend is a smart dude and a rarity these days.

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scubad Member Since: 9/24/12 Posts: 8	Anyone else notice that smug look on keenan's face these days? If he was chocolate he'd eat himself! You have ignored this user.

1/14/13 12:02 PM

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cheesesteak -
soremano -
Poking around Phil Proctor's source page I found this.

No matter your age, sex, previous experience (even if you have none at all), whether you’re in shape or out of shape, strong or not, no matter what kind of job you have, you’re going to absolutely LOVE training BJJ here at <<Insert Your School’s Name>> along with our other happily-involved students.

1. He didn't even bother to fill out the name of his school in the script I assume he got from LI

2. A google search found 6 other MA schools using the same script from Lloyd Irvin. (Jason Scully's gym in New Jersey was one of those

I guess this is what Lloyd Irvin sells to MMA gyms?

Yup it's for stupid people who aren't smart enough to create their own mission statements. A bunch of half retarded black belts who need to pay Lloyd to teach them how to do standard business procedures.

I shall VTFU in a bit

There are a lot of them Phone Post

1/14/13 12:05 PM

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cheesesteak 134 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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jmoney81 - Marcos Avellan of Freestyle Fighting Academy posted on FB that he supports Lloyd Irvin MMA 100%. The Avellan brothers put out great informative videos, and seem like good guys, but considering the situation, why post this?

I had respect for the Avellan brothers until I read this. Do they really need Lloyd to create a successful business? That whole millionaires club stuff reeks of Don Lepre get rich pyramid scheme where the big names are going to strive and a bunch of smaller little wannabe rich guys are going to be footing the bill and not succeeding..

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hooke Member Since: 2/13/07 Posts: 1179	Just so I'm getting this right: Philip Proctor of Wrightson BJJ (who is a Lloyd Irvin blackbelt) called a 17 year old rape victim a dirty whore then recanted? Lloyd Irving was found not guilty of a rape in 1990 based in his testimony that he wanted to, but could not achieve an erection? Trying to help Phil's SEO You have ignored this user.

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quick 22 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 14283	Just when you think this whole thing can't get any worse... You have ignored this user.

1/14/13 12:43 PM

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cheesesteak 134 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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BlackBelt2012 - "If Master Lloyd wants to rape, what do I care, he's always been good to me".

Marcos Avellan

Ya because I was too dumb to figure out how to set prices and market an MMA gym. And I didn't realize the more people you get to sign up the more money you could make....I didn't realize you need to create a fun safe environment... I needed to pay Lloyd to show me...derf.. -Marcos

The guy could of done it on his own him and his brother were huge names on the grappling circuit... Now they stick up for this scumbag because they have 150,000 swimming pools...Ethic- less bastard.

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hudd 5 Member Since: 4/28/05 Posts: 589	Dillon70 - i'm not going to defend either side. the bottom line is NO ONE HERE knows what happened. the mods should drop this... Exactly. Other than the police investigation and trial by jury with an admission to specific details regarding the incident it's a complete mystery. You have ignored this user.

1/14/13 12:56 PM

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BlackBelt2012 - "If Master Lloyd wants to rape, what do I care, he's always been good to me".

Marcos Avellan

Please tell me that the Avellan brothers aren't standing up for "Master" Lloyd, I really respect those guys.

To all those who think their fortunes are tied to "Master" Irvin and are hoping this just blows over in a couple weeks or months:

"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly." – Mohandas Gandhi

1/14/13 1:05 PM

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cheesesteak -
soremano -
Poking around Phil Proctor's source page I found this.

No matter your age, sex, previous experience (even if you have none at all), whether you’re in shape or out of shape, strong or not, no matter what kind of job you have, you’re going to absolutely LOVE training BJJ here at <<Insert Your School’s Name>> along with our other happily-involved students.

1. He didn't even bother to fill out the name of his school in the script I assume he got from LI

2. A google search found 6 other MA schools using the same script from Lloyd Irvin. (Jason Scully's gym in New Jersey was one of those

I guess this is what Lloyd Irvin sells to MMA gyms?

Yup it's for stupid people who aren't smart enough to create their own mission statements. A bunch of half retarded black belts who need to pay Lloyd to teach them how to do standard business procedures.

What I have always thought of LI and his marketing bullshit.

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