UnderGround Forum >> Rampage: Jon Jones' oblique kick should be banned

OmaGogo - This is not like the NFL where someone is hitting you in the knee blindsided. The guy is right in front of you. Close the range and he can't do it. Stay out of range and he can't do it.

It is important to be able to slow down powerful wrestlers and clinch fighters when you are neither of those things.

Deal with it, game plan for it. Stop whining.

andyman011 - 

OmaGogo - This is not like the NFL where someone is hitting you in the knee blindsided. The guy is right in front of you. Close the range and he can't do it. Stay out of range and he can't do it.

It is important to be able to slow down powerful wrestlers and clinch fighters when you are neither of those things.

Deal with it, game plan for it. Stop whining.

Close the range and you lose your knee dude. The second you step in he throws it

JLau'sWarmnessSpewingAllOverMyFace - I can't wait for G-lover Tex to serve this chump ass his walking papers.

Billytk - Have to agree with Rampage here that is a dirty kick (which MOST honorable fighters don't use) and is Way more dangerous then a lot of the strikes that are banned

Billytk - Have to agree with Rampage here that is a dirty kick (which MOST honorable fighters don't use) and is Way more dangerous then a lot of the strikes that are banned

In fairness folks have only been complaining since Jones started using it.

Anderson was using it to avoid engaging grapplers ages before Jones started.

Jack Slack - 

Billytk - Have to agree with Rampage here that is a dirty kick (which MOST honorable fighters don't use) and is Way more dangerous then a lot of the strikes that are banned

In fairness folks have only been complaining since Jones started using it.

Anderson was using it to avoid engaging grapplers ages before Jones started.

True daf Rampage! We need much safer shyts in cage like the Arona slam!

on a side note one day slamming dudes on their heads will be banned.  and it will likely be due to something horrific that happened (probably on national tv).  imagine the worst case scenario on that.  neck bone / spinal cord broken off and visible through the neck.  blood spurting everywhere.  murica, fuck yeah!

IDOHARM - Fighting should be banned as well, just in case.

rowil - I'm kind of conflicted about this, one the one hand yeah it's kind of shitty move, on the other hand, I can't really think of a good reason to ban it.

Has anyone ever actually gotten hurt from that? Een the guy in the gif I doubt was injured from that, he doesn't seem to have the majority of his body weight on the left leg and it didn't bend backwards too badly.

Onnie804yamsaki - This thread is a prime example of how weed was made illegal and how the myths were taken by the masses so easily.

No proof its really any more dangerous than any other technique and 90 percent of people talk about it like its an instant career ender.Ive seen it thrown at least a hundred times total in mma without an injury. Unbelievable how idiotic most people are about the sport and how willing they are to ban shit with nothing but a false non researched opinion.

Its actually frightening.DERP KICK LOOK LIKE IT MAKE KNEE GO WRONG WAY.THAT NO GOOD IN FIGHTING SPORT

andyman011 - I got a question for you guys and I'm not defending either side. An armbar is meant to hyper extend an arm the wrong way. They are dangerous, and jones elbow got popped by Vitor and went numb afterwards. We keep those because a ref usually intervenes before anything is broken.

Now a kneebar is the same concept except a lot of people consider it more dangerous because knees are generally more prone to injury and when something pops in your knee it's usually permanent.

Imagine if you got knee barred to the point of wanting to tap, and the ref resets you and you get knee barred again, and then another reset and another deep knee bar. The first thing you think is "man this guys knee is gonna be jacked".

Now you look at the oblique kick, in most instances you can see the knee hyper extend backwards. If it pops, its an injury and most fighters won't tap because its not being cranked but it is a higher injury risk than a knee bar if not checked.

Consider it yourself. Sure the side of the knee could have a higher risk of injury but that doesn't negate the fact that this is a high injury move. Anybody that fights to cause career ending injuries is an asshole regardless if your name is Anderson or jones

Willin - 

OnlyTheStrongSurvive - This is a kick that looks way worse than it is. The goal of the kick isn't to blow out your opponents knees anyways.

Why does Rampage have to complain about everything? He seems like a very unhappy person

It's a kick intended to maintain range. Front kicks, obliques to the thigh, and jabs can all do the same things. There's no reason guys knees should be getting bent in the opposite direction when those alternatives exist.

Also saying side kicks are equally prone to damaging the knee is retarded. The vast majority of the time a leg will swing to the side when struck with a side kick. An oblique kick below the knee is cheap as hell and it torques a vital joint in the opposite direction it's intended to move.

Willin -

andyman011 - I got a question for you guys and I'm not defending either side. An armbar is meant to hyper extend an arm the wrong way. They are dangerous, and jones elbow got popped by Vitor and went numb afterwards. We keep those because a ref usually intervenes before anything is broken.

Now a kneebar is the same concept except a lot of people consider it more dangerous because knees are generally more prone to injury and when something pops in your knee it's usually permanent.

Imagine if you got knee barred to the point of wanting to tap, and the ref resets you and you get knee barred again, and then another reset and another deep knee bar. The first thing you think is "man this guys knee is gonna be jacked".

Now you look at the oblique kick, in most instances you can see the knee hyper extend backwards. If it pops, its an injury and most fighters won't tap because its not being cranked but it is a higher injury risk than a knee bar if not checked.

Consider it yourself. Sure the side of the knee could have a higher risk of injury but that doesn't negate the fact that this is a high injury move. Anybody that fights to cause career ending injuries is an asshole regardless if your name is Anderson or jones

We're still waiting for a question.

Onnie804yamsaki - This thread is a prime example of how weed was made illegal and how the myths were taken by the masses so easily.

No proof its really any more dangerous than any other technique and 90 percent of people talk about it like its an instant career ender.Ive seen it thrown at least a hundred times total in mma without an injury. Unbelievable how idiotic most people are about the sport and how willing they are to ban shit with nothing but a false non researched opinion.

Its actually frightening.DERP KICK LOOK LIKE IT MAKE KNEE GO WRONG WAY.THAT NO GOOD IN FIGHTING SPORT

Wasa-B - Hmm...its a fair point and a good discussion topic but Rampage sure does seem to whine a lot these days. A dam far cry from the "Im 23 so in 2 years I see myself as being 25" Pride Rampage.

Anyhow, imo, again, a good debate but until its legal, its legal. And as mentioned, slams and strikes to the head and body can also injure.