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xakx Member Since: 3/30/04 Posts: 20211	cheap move, effected the outcome of the fight. slight fence grabbing, not cheap,natural reaction, did not effect the outcome of the fight. You have ignored this user.

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elburrogrande 7 Member Since: 5/7/10 Posts: 1572	xakx - cheap move, effected the outcome of the fight. slight fence grabbing, not cheap,natural reaction, did not effect the outcome of the fight. except one is legal and the other illegal. troll elsewhere You have ignored this user.

2/5/13 6:25 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
jaytrainwreck 3 Member Since: 9/28/11 Posts: 2133	NorthFromHere - Daniel Cormier with the nice head movement. You have ignored this user.

2/5/13 8:28 PM

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ghostboner 4 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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HELWIG -
Yes, Im aware that "Im mad, bro" and the world's smallest violin is playing just for me. Thanks. Go check out the "Lesnar/Overeem 2!?" thread, more up your speed.

Ive been a big Maia fan from day one. My friends and I would joke that the guy's he was creaming were BJJ black belts and you might actually be better of not being one since he knows all your shit better than you do.

But I really didnt like his tactic of "suckershooting" on Fitch. It spoiled the dynamic of the whole fight and left Fitch totally out of gas for the next 2 rounds.

If you want to shoot immediately, dont initiate a glove touch. Its equally as shitty as sticking your hand out and throwing a punch when the guy responds.

I hate all glove touching period. Its laughable in my opinion to be playing grabass during a live round of a professional fight.

But this gray area really needs to go. I wanted to see this awesome matchup playout on neutral grounds and instead, one deceitful move by Maia set the entire fight on a different course that it didnt return from.

Amazing back control from Maia and defense from Fitch.

I voiced similar disappointment in another thread. Spot on imo. Was also a Maia fan, sad to see it. What all the people harping about the fence grab need to remember is the word "premeditated". Fence grabbing is not necessarily premeditated, Maia's tactic obviously was.

2/5/13 8:31 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
ghostboner 4 Member Since: 5/4/10 Posts: 81	And if you think spending 5 minutes with Damian Maia on your back before you get to start fighting doesn't change the outcome, then you are not in touch with reality. You have ignored this user.

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MickColins 87 Member Since: 7/14/08 Posts: 10859	Crooklyn - I was more disappointed with how many times Fitch grabbed the fence. Damn skippy. Took until like 2 minutes into the third round for Winslow to even warn him. You have ignored this user.

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JDkoa Member Since: 6/4/10 Posts: 96	puss'nmitts - Poor Fitch. All he wanted was to bang. lol You have ignored this user.

2/5/13 10:04 PM

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Shinsplint 40 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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That was not a planned thing.

Maia had a game plan he'd been working over and over for weeks coming into the fight. He slowed his approach after the touch and then shot. What was he supposed to do, touch gloves and then ask Fitch if he was ready to fight? Stand in the middle of the ring for 3 seconds and then shoot? His plan was to get on his leg like a pitbull and thats what he did. There was no fake out.

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zazen br Member Since: 10/25/11 Posts: 122	Fitch grabbed the fence at least 3 times through the fight, every single time trying to defend takedowns... You have ignored this user.

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Headkick420 Member Since: 10/3/11 Posts: 448	GIF FTW!!!! Stop crying you baby back bitches. Maia dominated Fitch and would do it again the same way. You wanna complain about someone cheating, complain about Anderson grabbing Chaels' shorts the whole second fight. He is a cheater. You have ignored this user.

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RKing85 52 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 16805	I have no problems with people who take advantage of the situation when your opponent is dumb enough to leave himself vulnerable when a round is in progress. You have ignored this user.

2/5/13 11:20 PM

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HELWIG

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"And if you think spending 5 minutes with Damian Maia on your back before you get to start fighting doesn't change the outcome, then you are not in touch with reality."

Correct.

Still like Maia.

But it completely threw Fitch off and he had nothing left in rounds 2 and 3.

Maybe the exact same thing happens without it. We'll never know.

Maia should have IGNORED the glove touch and just shot. Nothing to say about that.

But I call it like I see it. Hominick did it with a suckerpunch and got dropped. Tanner did a sucker clinch with The Crow and wound up getting stopped on a cut from an elbow.

Solution = stop with the glove touch shit.

Or, if youre gonna do it, do it how you do in training and both guys take a step back and then fight.

But seriously, just dont do it at all.

2/5/13 11:34 PM

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DaemonDragon 20 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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If Fitch's cardio was done in a fake touch, then his cardio would be pretty bad.

But we know Fitch to have some of the best cardio in the sport. Saying 1 round of defending an RNC drained Fitch is crazy.

But that was completely sportsmanlike anyway - both fighters had time to pull their hands back and reset. That was not one of those instant cheap shot moments, at all. And Maia clearly did not plan it in advance, he just reacted.

2/5/13 11:42 PM

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Mayweedz 10 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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really doubt Maia was really thinking about any issue of sportsmanship. He seemed to singlemindedly intend to go for takedown as soon as the bell rang, regardless and was rushing in for it. It was not cheap or intentional. Fitch's hand was out there so he just unthinkingly put his hand out there to to touch it while he was going in. In the heat of the moment I do not think he was thinking "let me touch his hand so it will be easier to shoot." He was just going for it regardless and was on autopilot.

If he did not touch the glove that Fitch put out and just went for the takedown, people here would be complaining that he lacks respect and is unsportman, anyways, for not bothering to touch it.

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MMA Architect Member Since: 1/26/13 Posts: 62	lil rampage got CREtired - NorthFromHere - ROFL WTF I'm more interested in the backstory behind this gif than the thread topic.. Info please? You have ignored this user.

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Bisping KOd by CHRIST Member Since: 1/13/13 Posts: 823	I was more disapointed by maia's terrible and boring display of grappling. 25min of having fitch's back and never got close to finishing. You have ignored this user.

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MickColins 87 Member Since: 7/14/08 Posts: 10865	"I was more disapointed by maia's terrible and boring display of grappling. 25min of having fitch's back and never got close to finishing." He came close atleast twice. Fitch was basically 100% defense. With 5 minute rounds, its hard to submit a guy of Fitch's skill who is 100% on the defense. You have ignored this user.

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Bisping KOd by CHRIST Member Since: 1/13/13 Posts: 826	Twice? This supposedly "great" bjjer rode the back of a significantly smaller fighter for 3 rnds and only came close to finishing twice? Lets be real....maybe maia is a decent bjjer while wearing a gi but when it comes to an actual fight, his mma-grappling is weak to nonexistant if hes not on top. You have ignored this user.

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Bisping KOd by CHRIST Member Since: 1/13/13 Posts: 827	Im warming up to a gsp vs maia fight. Gsp would sub him with his superior bjj imo. You have ignored this user.

2/6/13 12:58 AM

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DaemonDragon 20 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Bisping KOd by CHRIST - Twice? This supposedly "great" bjjer rode the back of a significantly smaller fighter for 3 rnds and only came close to finishing twice? Lets be real....maybe maia is a decent bjjer while wearing a gi but when it comes to an actual fight, his mma-grappling is weak to nonexistant if hes not on top.

"Significantly smaller fighter"...notsureifserious.gif?? No idea if you're just flat trolling or what but Fitch if anything, Fitch is bigger than Maia. They're of roughly comparable size anyway.

Also there are very few - and let me emphasize this: VERY FEW grapplers on the planet that could completely school Fitch in BJJ the way Maia did.

I mean taking Fitch's back looked effortless for him, and Fitch is one of the most elite grapplers in the sport, who has some of the best anti-BJJ skills around.

Maia had Fitch's back probably for 11+ of the 15 mintues of the fight...that's just ridiculous. And Fitch couldn't do *anything* about it. He was completely in over his head.

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DaemonDragon 20 Member Since: 2/16/09 Posts: 1869	Bisping KOd by CHRIST - Im warming up to a gsp vs maia fight. Gsp would sub him with his superior bjj imo. Ah Ok. Nevermind my earlier post then, you got me. You have ignored this user.

2/6/13 1:01 AM

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ghostboner 4 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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"If Fitch's cardio was done in a fake touch, then his cardio would be pretty bad."

It wasn't the fake glove touch, it was the body triangle that he spent the next 5 minutes in. Being stuck in a body triangle is grueling, and i'm pretty sure Maia knows how to use it to it's full effect.

I still like Maia, but I call it like I see it. Did he do anything illegal? Nope. But there is a high road and an "I didn't do anything illegal" road, I always thought of Maia as a guy who takes the former. He did an amazing job controlling Fitch, but like Helwig said, I would like to know if he could have done it without the glove touch fake-out, and we never will.

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Bisping KOd by CHRIST Member Since: 1/13/13 Posts: 829	Btw....other than a less than prime fitch, a spasmatic stungun and a white belt story...all of which have terrible TDD.... what has maia ever done to garner such respect? You have ignored this user.

2/6/13 1:31 AM

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Funaki Masakatsu #1 132 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Bisping KOd by CHRIST - Twice? This supposedly "great" bjjer rode the back of a significantly smaller fighter for 3 rnds and only came close to finishing twice? Lets be real....maybe maia is a decent bjjer while wearing a gi but when it comes to an actual fight, his mma-grappling is weak to nonexistant if hes not on top.

It's hard to lock in a RNC with gloves on, plus Jon Fitch's submission defense is top notch. Maia is very legit without the gi. Phone Post

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Funaki Masakatsu #1 132 Member Since: 9/18/09 Posts: 2885	DaemonDragon - Bisping KOd by CHRIST - Im warming up to a gsp vs maia fight. Gsp would sub him with his superior bjj imo. Ah Ok. Nevermind my earlier post then, you got me. This... You have ignored this user.

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