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UnderGround Forum >> Bas: Machida doesn't have a lot of weapons.
| 2/15/13 3:26 AM | |
TZA
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| 2/15/13 3:31 AM | |
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TZA
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| 2/15/13 3:44 AM | |
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absolutesperry
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 3362 |
Bas is just hating because Machida never fought Pride... Oh no, what have I become???? Pride4life 
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| 2/15/13 4:06 AM | |
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FlyingSubsOnly
Edited: 02/15/13 4:15 AM Member Since: 2/23/11 Posts: 211 |
Bas usually tells it how it is, but can't agree here. There clearly emotional favoritism involved. Machida has KO power in his hands, knees, shins/feet as well as subs of his back and on top... not mentioning amazing movement/allusiveness and phenomenal unorthodox trip-takedowns from everywhere. Bas saying he has one go-to combination and only moves to one side.. What? And as far as Hendo "BULL RUSHING" him? Bas must've missed the Bader fight, he takes advantage of small windows and minor exchanges seen in the Thiago Silva fight right after their exchange near the cage, as well as the Rashad KO. Dan's not going to be able to feint with the left or throw the inside kick, right hand combo and get Machida to fall into the "H-Bomb" let alone circle into a right hand.I definitely think Hendo has a chance to beat any man in the world, but breaking it down realistically, Machida has more tools to win, and Dan isn't the hardest fighter to figure out. |
| 2/15/13 4:11 AM | |
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TZA
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| 2/15/13 4:13 AM | |
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Bucephalus
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I'm a big Hendo fan and I see Machida winning this. |
| 2/15/13 4:17 AM | |
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TZA
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| 2/15/13 4:23 AM | |
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FlyingSubsOnly
Edited: 02/15/13 4:25 AM Member Since: 2/23/11 Posts: 212 |
nvm |
| 2/15/13 5:34 AM | |
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spliff
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ChokeEmOut - Bas is an extremely biased guy. He will blindly back his friends instead of being impartial |
| 2/15/13 5:41 AM | |
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Y2JB
Edited: 02/15/13 5:43 AM Member Since: 8/23/12 Posts: 55 |
I find Machida's backing up & counter style boring and borderline cowardly. If everyone fought like that there would never be a strike thrown. That said, he clearly has tools, I just don't like them. |
| 2/15/13 5:41 AM | |
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s98ronin
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 6017 |
Chaelismyhero -hubris - lol @ this It´s gonna be a repeat of the lil Nog match foe Hendo. Machida is way too well rounded and bad ass... Bas is a badass too but he hasn´t beaten anyone even close to the guys that Machida has finished... |
| 2/15/13 6:28 AM | |
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PointyShinyBurn
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Did most of you actually read what Bas said?I'm gonna get a lot of heat now. Machida doesn't have a lot of weapons. Whatever he does, he does really well. He's got great distance, great accuracy, but his attack is always the same. It's a cross, or a kick and a cross. When you push him, he always moves to the same side. So, if Dan would look at that and just bullrush him, he could throw a big hand there and that could stop him." How on earth can you read that as "MACHIDA SUCKS, NER NER NER". What Bas is describing is exactly what Shogun did when he stopped him with one punch. |
| 2/15/13 7:08 AM | |
ManWithTheIronFists
Member Since: 11/10/12 Posts: 265 |
Bas Rutten has alot of shit that comes out his mouth. |
| 2/15/13 9:18 AM | |
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saemskin
Member Since: 6/30/10 Posts: 216 |
bas has his fighters confused... left inside leg kick, hard overhand right. sound familiar? Machida is one of the most dynamic strikers we have ever seen in the octagon. |
| 2/15/13 9:45 AM | |
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TheFatalBlow
Member Since: 12/20/06 Posts: 14 |
No weapons?! Really?! Bas has to be trolling
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| 2/15/13 10:18 AM | |
PatrickVilone
Member Since: 12/5/11 Posts: 88 |
if machida doesnt have a lot, then Dan has few... Everyone knows whats coming from Dan, that huge right hand. Everyone can see it. He leans to the side when he's preparing to throw it. Do you think Lyoto isn't gonna take advantage of that? With his speed, range and accuracy? Dan is a great wrestler, solid ground game, slower than the average LHW, very predictable when it comes to striking, primarily throws punches, and a world-class clinch game.. Lyoto is a diverse striker, with amazing knees, great kicks, good punches, one of the most unique styles, OUTSTANDING footwork, speed, he uses his range like no other, underrated takedowns and ground game, uses his trips very well from the clinch... What does Dan have that Lyoto doesn't? All that I see is the power. And probably a better ground game. Lyoto is my man, so this is a bias outlook, but the fight is gonna play out like so... Lyoto is too elusive and Dan is too strong, Lyoto is going to try and keep his range early, I doubt they are going to be brawling like shogun and dan, expect to see vintage lyoto, movement and diverse striking, that knee to the body from a mile away will be utilized alot in this fight, but maybe not due to the risk of Dans right hand, lyoto is going to place this fight safe. stick & move. He knows he's faster than Dan, and he knows Dan is stronger than him. Expect a decision going Lyotos way, unless he lands some crazy strike that puts Dan to sleep.. Now I think we all know Dans strategy H-MOTHER-FUCKING-BOMB!!!! That huge right hand he has is unmatched by anyone else! His clinch game and judo are top of the tier. Also his ground control and GnP are wonderful,if Dan wins it'll be by KO probably early in the fight, or he wins by hugging Lyoto like Rampage did, or lyoto can't stop his takedowns and it turns into a 3 round GSP-like fight. SUPER EXCITED for this fight!! I would love to see Hendo vs Jones, which should be scheduled for 4.27 anyways... but I just think Lyoto takes this one by decision or knockout. He's too fast and elusive. Don't get me wrong though. If lyoto strays from game-plan for just a second it could be lights out. But THE DRAGON WANTS THAT BELT BACK BABY!!!! |
| 2/15/13 11:06 AM | |
SQUEEZIE
Member Since: 1/19/12 Posts: 612 |
OnlyTheStrongSurvive -GodSaveTheReem -So you're basing all of this on him not being able to threaten Jones off of his back and being too hurt to recover after? Jones is a terrific talent, much bigger, and had done that exact same thing to everyone he's been on the ground with in mma except for 10 seconds against Vitor.OnlyTheStrongSurvive -GodSaveTheReem - Ever since the shogun fight i've felt that Machida, of all the high level guys, is the worst at in-fight game planning. As in, if Plan A doesn't work he has no Plan B. Luckily for him Plan A almost always works, but when faced with adversity he doesn't do so hot.What? He changed everything he was doing in round 3 against Rampage and owned him. So he couldn't recover from getting thrown down and elbowed by the much bigger Jon Jones who also happens to be champ and that shows he has something wrong with adjusting midfights? being three inches taller is matters that much? and how much did they way when in the cage that night since you know? |
| 2/15/13 11:14 AM | |
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snerdog
Member Since: 11/5/05 Posts: 68 |
Powerful wrestlers bullrushing Machida have had a lot of success . . . oh, wait. Love Bas, one of my favorites and if he thinks Dan could win, I'm all for it. I just thought that comment was a little odd. |
| 2/15/13 11:20 AM | |
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gusto
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PointyShinyBurn - Did most of you actually read what Bas said?I'm gonna get a lot of heat now. Machida doesn't have a lot of weapons. Whatever he does, he does really well. He's got great distance, great accuracy, but his attack is always the same. It's a cross, or a kick and a cross. When you push him, he always moves to the same side. So, if Dan would look at that and just bullrush him, he could throw a big hand there and that could stop him." it isnt that he said he sucks it is that his analysis is poor |
| 2/15/13 11:42 AM | |
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Lasko
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Member Since: 9/8/11 Posts: 86 |
I love Dan Henderson but I see Machida countering a missed h bomb. 
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| 2/15/13 11:50 AM | |
Lobo8
Member Since: 5/22/12 Posts: 650 |
Fitzsimmons Shift - People sleep on Hendo's stand-up as being somehow crude, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with having the fundamentals of a hard right hand blow down pat. (His left hook is devastating too, of course, although his preferred stance doesn't often allow him to make use of it.) Hes a Good fighter for sure and saying hes one dimensional is ridiculous. But this machida matchup is really really bad for him. No way he wins this one. |
| 2/15/13 12:23 PM | |
OnlyTheStrongSurvive
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SQUEEZIE -Jones has said he weighs 225+ in the cage, Machida has said he basically doesn't cut any weight (probably just a couple pounds for that fight) because he doesn't like the way he feels and against Bader weighed 202.OnlyTheStrongSurvive -GodSaveTheReem -So you're basing all of this on him not being able to threaten Jones off of his back and being too hurt to recover after? Jones is a terrific talent, much bigger, and had done that exact same thing to everyone he's been on the ground with in mma except for 10 seconds against Vitor.OnlyTheStrongSurvive -GodSaveTheReem - Ever since the shogun fight i've felt that Machida, of all the high level guys, is the worst at in-fight game planning. As in, if Plan A doesn't work he has no Plan B. Luckily for him Plan A almost always works, but when faced with adversity he doesn't do so hot.What? He changed everything he was doing in round 3 against Rampage and owned him. So he couldn't recover from getting thrown down and elbowed by the much bigger Jon Jones who also happens to be champ and that shows he has something wrong with adjusting midfights? I'm not knocking Jones at all, he makes the weight so I have no problem with it. He's in the right division. It's just a combination of a big lhw that can easily and probably will be a hw and a very small lhw. Machida could fight at middleweight and not even be one of it's biggest guys, he probably is just waiting for Silva to stop fighting there.
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| 2/15/13 12:29 PM | |
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OnlyTheStrongSurvive
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PointyShinyBurn - Did most of you actually read what Bas said?What's funny is right before the ko Machida landed a solid knee to the body and Bas never mentioned that. Or the takedowns. It was a case of Machida getting too aggressive in the pocket against a heavier puncher.I'm gonna get a lot of heat now. Machida doesn't have a lot of weapons. Whatever he does, he does really well. He's got great distance, great accuracy, but his attack is always the same. It's a cross, or a kick and a cross. When you push him, he always moves to the same side. So, if Dan would look at that and just bullrush him, he could throw a big hand there and that could stop him." Machida avoids being predictable with all of the feints he makes during a fight imo. If he was easy to predict you wouldn't have so many fighters get in there and have no idea what to do.
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| 2/15/13 12:30 PM | |
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ausgepicht
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 57422 |
Freddie Gavaria -Bas is right, from a technical point of view. If you pull Machida's nutsack off your eyes you'll see better. He has a straight left and a footsweep. What Machida does so brilliantly is in terms of timing, footwork, tactics and strategy. Simple fighters think in terms of techniques. Great, masterful fighters think like Machida and that is what makes Machida one of the best. The problem with the sort is people like you who can't admire a fighter, be a huge fan, or even think he's the best ever without adding a religious fervor and zealousness to your ability to perceive. You guys are ready to strap bombs to your back and blow up a market in the name of your fighter. Stop being so biased you throw all ability to be objective out the window. You want religion? Go to church and fuck off.
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| 2/15/13 12:48 PM | |
hubris
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 105829 |
I'd love to see Bas spar with Lyoto just some light contact |
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