SoldierGround Forum >> Could the US be conquered if invaded?

alxholic - will smith would not let that happen.

awww hells naw!

Muppetmower88 - Americans who have guns usually have more then one and most guys i bs to could outfit there neighborhood with enough firearms and ammunition. it would be crazy to think how many americans would actually become armed if anything like this was to ever happen

pneuma - The US IS being conquered-- from within.

awilson82 - 

Muppetmower88 - Americans who have guns usually have more then one and most guys i bs to could outfit there neighborhood with enough firearms and ammunition. it would be crazy to think how many americans would actually become armed if anything like this was to ever happen

 There is more than 1 gun in america for every man woman and child.

GladiatorGannon - 

effinggoof - 

GladiatorGannon - Has a nation of 300 million ever been conquered by anyone? I'm not talking internal revolutions like China and the old Soviet Union (conquering yourself), but actually being conquered by a foreign army?

Brit's conquered and held down over 200 million in India, and they kept it conquered for over a century.

In other words, no, not even close.

effinggoof - 

GladiatorGannon - 

effinggoof - 

GladiatorGannon - Has a nation of 300 million ever been conquered by anyone? I'm not talking internal revolutions like China and the old Soviet Union (conquering yourself), but actually being conquered by a foreign army?

Brit's conquered and held down over 200 million in India, and they kept it conquered for over a century.

In other words, no, not even close.

How is it not even close...there were over 200 million Indians when they were conquered, and way fucking more when the Brit's took the Imperial boot off their neck.

Subutai - The movement leaders provide the organizational and managerial skills needed to transform mobilized individuals and communities into an effective force for armed political action. The result is a contest of resource mobilization and force deployment. No force level guarantees victory for either side. During previous conflicts, planners assumed that combatants required a 10 or 15 to 1 advantage over insurgents to win. However, no predetermined, fixed ratio of friendly troops to enemy combatants ensures success in COIN. The conditions of the operational environment and the approaches insurgents use vary too widely. A better force requirement gauge is troop density, the ratio of security forces (including the host nation's military and police forces as well as foreign counterinsurgents) to inhabitants. Most density recommendations fall within a range of 20 to 25 counterinsurgents for every 1000 residents in an AO. Twenty counterinsurgents per 1000 residents is often considered the minimum troop density required for effective COIN operations; however as with any fixed ratio, such calculations remain very dependent upon the situation.

--Gen Petraeus



That would mean 6,100,000 troops for the US, without taking into consideration the geography involved which would cause the required troops to increase by quite a bit.

This doesn't take into consideration the required money, the US estimates per troop range from 500,000 to 1.1 million annually

Assuming this is done on the cheap, if we cut that by 1/3 that is still 1 trillion a year minimum

Now you have to get into the sheer logistics, how the fuck do you move 6 million troops onto hostile territory?

China might have the troops but they would struggle to move those troops to Taiwan..much less the US

stevekt - If the enemy could gain the assistance of native organized criminals such as mafia, biker gangs, street gangs, etc. they would stand a better chance of taking over. Personally I think the Crips, Mongols, Gambino's and the like would gladly sell out their coutry for a piece of the pie in the new world order.

hmeboy - 

Subutai - The movement leaders provide the organizational and managerial skills needed to transform mobilized individuals and communities into an effective force for armed political action. The result is a contest of resource mobilization and force deployment. No force level guarantees victory for either side. During previous conflicts, planners assumed that combatants required a 10 or 15 to 1 advantage over insurgents to win. However, no predetermined, fixed ratio of friendly troops to enemy combatants ensures success in COIN. The conditions of the operational environment and the approaches insurgents use vary too widely. A better force requirement gauge is troop density, the ratio of security forces (including the host nation's military and police forces as well as foreign counterinsurgents) to inhabitants. Most density recommendations fall within a range of 20 to 25 counterinsurgents for every 1000 residents in an AO. Twenty counterinsurgents per 1000 residents is often considered the minimum troop density required for effective COIN operations; however as with any fixed ratio, such calculations remain very dependent upon the situation.

--Gen Petraeus



That would mean 6,100,000 troops for the US, without taking into consideration the geography involved which would cause the required troops to increase by quite a bit.

This doesn't take into consideration the required money, the US estimates per troop range from 500,000 to 1.1 million annually

Assuming this is done on the cheap, if we cut that by 1/3 that is still 1 trillion a year minimum

Now you have to get into the sheer logistics, how the fuck do you move 6 million troops onto hostile territory?

China might have the troops but they would struggle to move those troops to Taiwan..much less the US

Great post, but you've missed a *huge* factor that would no doubt win any war:

The dozens of surburban NRA/og'ers who would be running around in stained wife-beaters and jorts, single-handedly killing thousands of AK-armed invaders - with only the glocks under their bedroom pillows!

IDXtreme - Too bad our own government would be on the invader's side.
Why else are they trying to disarm us?

Fugazi - This is a scenario that many have theorized about and it involves Cuba as the staging ground for Russian/Chinese/Muslim invasion.

Word has it that Cuba is stockpiled with weapons ready to arm would be invaders through Miami.

Fugazi - This is a scenario that many have theorized about and it involves Cuba as the staging ground for Russian/Chinese/Muslim invasion.

Word has it that Cuba is stockpiled with weapons ready to arm would be invaders through Miami.