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Hawai'i Underground >> Who are the best striking trainer's in HI.
| 3/22/12 11:58 AM | |
HwnStriker
Member Since: 12/24/04 Posts: 672 |
FCTV808 - Where's the love for Haru Shimanishi? Haru of the Hawaii Martial Arts Center (academy) / HMC...if you don't know who Haru is, you probably been hibernating in makua cave for the last 15 year's or so! Called the 'trainer of champions', I don't know anyone on this island who can say that they trained and cornered the likes of Maurice 'MO' Smith, Josh Barnett, Dennis Alexio, and other pro/amateur kickboxing/mma fighter's from Hawaii as well as the mainland, Japan, and other countries as well. |
| 3/23/12 1:54 AM | |
jahYn808
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Member Since: 3/14/02 Posts: 95 |
Haku Kahoano. Son of Kimo Kahoano. Heard some stories of his Kicking. Beast mode shit. Dude was a little cuckoo though. He single handedly got his brother removed from O-town (Ikaika Kahoano). They sold millions of albums and he should've been part of it. |
| 3/23/12 3:20 AM | |
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yakumomutsu
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jahYn808 - Haku Kahoano. Son of Kimo Kahoano. Heard some stories of his Kicking. Beast mode shit. Dude was a little cuckoo though. He single handedly got his brother removed from O-town (Ikaika Kahoano). They sold millions of albums and he should've been part of it.What's da scoops with the O Town story? 
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| 3/23/12 6:58 AM | |
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KyokushinCatch
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yakumomutsu -HwnStriker -KyokushinCatch - Uncle Sam Kanamu (RIP) I thought Jaiut, or "Charlie Jot," was a Rajadamnermn champion. record something like 190 - 10 yak, you're right about him training a bunch of champs and coaches Sam Kanamu: Kalakaua gym icon. former US Army boxing champion. pure Hawaiian from Moloka'i. honest, in Webster's Dictionary, under 'Aloha,' you could post his picture. well into his 70s, he would take up to a dozen or so young boxers, 2-3 rounds each, on the mitts - often 5 or 6 days a week. then, if you asked him, he would get down on the mat and teach the groundwork of Okazaki (Danzan-Ryu) Jujutsu. old man had skills Tony Villalon: state cruiser-weight kickboxing champion - trained under Dana Goodsen and Jaiut. blackbelt in Kenpo under Marino Tiwanak, then later the legendary Prof. William Chow. highly-skilled in Eskrima, trained with Frank Mamalias. best kickboxing coach I ever trained with - and I trained with Benny "the Jet" Urquidez if there's still interest, I'll right about the others later |
| 3/23/12 6:59 AM | |
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KyokushinCatch
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Member Since: 8/2/02 Posts: 5297 |
right = write - wtf |
| 3/23/12 12:08 PM | |
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yakumomutsu
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Member Since: 6/29/05 Posts: 1838 |
KyokushinCatch -Your probably right, I just know he was a champ at one of the "big shows" in Thailand lolyakumomutsu -HwnStriker -KyokushinCatch - Uncle Sam Kanamu (RIP)
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| 3/23/12 6:48 PM | |
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The Mat Pimp
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Member Since: 5/18/06 Posts: 3016 |
Shihan Bobby Lowe passed away September 14, 2011. He was 10th dan Kyokushin-kai. |
| 3/23/12 11:22 PM | |
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KyokushinCatch
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Edited: 03/23/12 11:27 PM Member Since: 8/2/02 Posts: 5298 |
RIP - I don't think I ever saw him with a rank above 8th Dan - honbu may have promoted him closer to the end or posthumously Edward "Bobby" Lowe: if Hawaii ever came up with a Martial Arts Hall of Fame, Shihan Lowe would be in the first class Shihan started his martial arts training early in life, as his father was an instructor of Gongfu (Siu Lum Pai, Cantonese for 'Shaolin'). Lowe continued on his martial arts/combat sports path by Boxing competitively, and beginning his training in Kenpo under Professor James Mitose (Kosho-Ryu; Mitose is considered the great-grandfather of Kenpo in HI and the mainland) and Professor William K.S. Chow (Kara-Ho). eventually, Lowe earned his blackbelt from both of the professors, and was one of only five to be awarded the rank by Mitose. He also earned blackbelts (4th Dan) in Kodokan Judo from Tetsuzo "the Rubberman" Higami (mixed-fighting legend from the 1920s & 30s), Danzan-Ryu Jujutsu from Henry S. Okazaki, and Aikido (instructor unknown) in 1952, Kyokushin Karate founder Masutatsu "Mas" Oyama gave a demonstration of his style in Hawaii. A young Bobby Lowe saw him and was stunned by the power Oyama demonstrated. After the demonstration, Lowe met with Oyama and arranged to train with him in Tokyo. In this way, Lowe became the first Kyokushin uchi deshi, or "live-in student" of Mas Oyama's. These uchi deshi became known as Wakajishi, or the "Young Lions" of Kyokushin. Lowe trained daily with Mas Oyama for one and a half years. Shihan stated that the training consisted each day for 2 X 3 hour sessions; the morning session for self-defense and kata, the evening session for basics and kumite. Kumite was always bare-fist, full-contact, knock-down fighting; in those days the contact was more extensive than it is today. Contact was allowed to the face/head with the hands, fists and elbows, knees, shins, feet, and head. The groin was an active target, and grapping was allowed (almost all there were judo yudansha) in 1953, Sosai awarded Shihan Lowe shodan in Nihon Karate-jutsu Oyama-ryu. He attained yondan by 1957, godan in 1965, shichidan in 1976 (I was around for that one), hachi dan in 1984 (this one too) Shihan Bobby Lowe opened the first "School of Oyama Karate" outside Japan in 1957 in Honolulu, HI. it later became known as the "Hawaii Karate-Do Kyokushinkai-Kan" Shihan continued to return to Tokyo for training at least once a year until 1965, at which time he decided to start promoting tournaments in the USA to promote Kyokushin Karate. In April 1977 & 1978 he sponsored the Hawaii vs. Japan Kyokushin Tournament. The competing Japanese team in 1977 included the Japanese film star Shinichi "Sonny" Chiba (won by KO - I saw it live). This was the first major tournament exposure of the Japanese Kyokushin fighters outside of Japan. The tournament attracted over 6000 spectators each. giving demonstrations at the event were Shigeru & Yasuhiko Oyama and Miyuki Miura. also demoing in 1978 was Etsuko "Sue" Shiomi, a pretty Japanese movie star. Shihan was also active in teaching karate to law enforcement agencies & Police departments for Honolulu, HI, Las Vegas, NV, Dallas, TX, Salt Lake City, UT, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and other locales in Europe in closing, Shihan's own words, written not too long ago: "OSU", a simple word, yet it is the essence of Kyokushin Karate, the nature and spirit of life. Like the Hawaiian word, "Aloha", "OSU" embraces a multitude of meanings, anywhere from hello, goodbye, yes, good, excuse me, thank you, etc. Yet all in the Kyokushin family realize the more deeper and meaningful power of "0SU". From my first introduction to Oyama and Kyokushin Karate, I learned that "OSU" is to persevere, to persist, to endure, ... the very same life skills that I (continue to) need to face and conquer our daily challenges. In Kyokushin, as in life, there is a rhyme and reason for everything. Even the simplest of warm-up exercises has a meaning to it. For example, the twisting and stretching one's wrists using a circular movement is actually the practice of wrist blocking. It is because of the life-long lessons and challenges of Kyokushin, that I continue to practice, learn and preach of its infinite qualities. There has never been a time that I felt that I have learned all there is to know, practiced enough, experienced all there is to do in Kyokushinkai. Such is it in my personal life, and this is how both my personal and Kyokushin lives have intertwined, merged and thus benefited all aspects of my life. Kyokushin physical and mental traits include discipline, responsibility, respect, fortitude, resilience, strength, tenacity, tolerance, vigor, willpower, enthusiasm, and spirit. These and so much more are experienced and attained as we live our lives in the most positive manner possible. As we have now met the new millennium, may we continue to seek and strive for the "Ultimate Truth". Long live Kyokushin Karate "0SU" |
| 3/23/12 11:24 PM | |
FCTV808
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Member Since: 10/1/03 Posts: 59662 |
hrm, say i wanted to learn from this bobby lowe legacy, where might one find instruction? ;) |
| 3/23/12 11:32 PM | |
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KyokushinCatch
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Member Since: 8/2/02 Posts: 5299 |
they're all old now |
| 3/23/12 11:33 PM | |
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FCTV808
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Member Since: 10/1/03 Posts: 59664 |
lol you're still beating everybody's heads in. the original cro cop high kicker, kyokushincatch. |
| 3/23/12 11:35 PM | |
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jjmtg
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Edited: 03/24/12 12:10 AM Member Since: 3/30/08 Posts: 1540 |
yakumomutsu -jahYn808 - Haku Kahoano. Son of Kimo Kahoano. Heard some stories of his Kicking. Beast mode shit. Dude was a little cuckoo though. He single handedly got his brother removed from O-town (Ikaika Kahoano). They sold millions of albums and he should've been part of it.What's da scoops with the O Town story? Hahahaha, I remember that too. |
| 3/23/12 11:36 PM | |
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KyokushinCatch
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Edited: 03/23/12 11:37 PM Member Since: 8/2/02 Posts: 5300 |
FCTV808 - "the original cro cop high kicker" without teh broken ankle - knock on wood |
| 3/24/12 4:43 AM | |
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KyokushinCatch
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Member Since: 8/2/02 Posts: 5303 |
FCTV808 - hrm, say i wanted to learn from this bobby lowe legacy, where might one find instruction? oh Gracie Waikiki 737 Kapahulu Ave. top floor Honolulu, HI 96816 |
| 3/24/12 5:51 AM | |
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FCTV808
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Member Since: 10/1/03 Posts: 59666 |
it's like the last of the mohicans w/ kc! |
| 3/24/12 6:21 AM | |
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HwnStriker
Member Since: 12/24/04 Posts: 673 |
KC, that was an awesome write-up about LOWE and Kyokushinkai karate. |
| 3/24/12 7:11 AM | |
sufferingsuckatash
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Member Since: 7/2/09 Posts: 3697 |
this thread should be titled : "Gracie Waikiki, more than just a mat battle, its a battle of rock hard thrusts to your dome and abdomen."------jimmy knows what im talkin bout Awesome story and write up btw kc. good chit. how do some of the new school strikers compare to the older generations? is the level getting higher with the younger generations? we see all the vids of youngsters in highschool fighting on teh webz on teh wesside and i cant help but to think of days of old and far they seems |
| 3/24/12 11:52 AM | |
DocMason
Member Since: 10/15/07 Posts: 953 |
FCTV808 - Where's the love for Haru Shimanishi?^This.
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| 3/24/12 2:35 PM | |
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HwnStriker
Member Since: 12/24/04 Posts: 674 |
sufferingsuckatash - this thread should be titled : "Gracie Waikiki, more than just a mat battle, its a battle of rock hard thrusts to your dome and abdomen."------jimmy knows what im talkin bout Sufferingsuckatash, I think in comparison between the new striker's and the older generations, lies in their mentality...the new striker's have less respect and loyalty for their teacher's/trainer's, and they train wherever they like. And the older generation striker's are the complete opposite...respectful and more loyal! |
| 3/24/12 2:43 PM | |
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HwnStriker
Member Since: 12/24/04 Posts: 675 |
As far as stand-up technique I personally believe the older generation striker's were way ahead of their time. Because, when your much loyal and respectful to a 'good' striker teacher/trainer, I think your discipline of acquiring techniques, and everything of that striking art is much more appreciated. |
| 3/24/12 9:30 PM | |
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MOB U2
Member Since: 9/3/11 Posts: 328 |
HwnStriker - As far as stand-up technique I personally believe the older generation striker's were way ahead of their time. Because, when your much loyal and respectful to a 'good' striker teacher/trainer, I think your discipline of acquiring techniques, and everything of that striking art is much more appreciated. Thread is full of so much win. Don't know where to start commenting here. Aside from KC, the late Tony Villalon also trained BJ Penn's old striking coach Rudy Valentino and O2's Kaleo Kwan. IIRC, Tony was still carrying the Kenpo banner when he started first winning against MT guys. But I'm not sure - that's what Emperado told me (when we asked about Kaju guys fighting MT guys). As for what you say HwnStriker yeah I agree. They had fewer techniques but I feel they were more craftier with what they had. A lot of younger cats are also about power and offense I notice, instead of having a solid defense and setting things up to avoid being countered post-execution. Like one thing I don't understand is people's insistence on throwing an outside round kick if the opponent has a solid timing with his step in jab 1-2. A lot of times you'll see a guy throw a power MT round kick only to get fucked up in the face with a standard boxing 1-2 counter. Where was the setup to occupy his line of vision before throwing the round kick? Where's the recovery defense and proper absconding from the counter blow? |
| 3/25/12 1:20 AM | |
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HwnStriker
Member Since: 12/24/04 Posts: 677 |
MOB U2 -HwnStriker - As far as stand-up technique I personally believe the older generation striker's were way ahead of their time. Because, when your much loyal and respectful to a 'good' striker teacher/trainer, I think your discipline of acquiring techniques, and everything of that striking art is much more appreciated. Amen MOB U2...also, like I mentioned earlier, I personally believe that the younger generation lack discipline, and that they also lack loyalty to their school and/or instructor's/trainer's. Eventually, it will show in their fighting skills in the ring...not alway's the case and point, it could be also lack of experience. |
| 3/25/12 5:06 AM | |
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KyokushinCatch
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Member Since: 8/2/02 Posts: 5308 |
^^ haha, you guys sound old :) I think today's younger fighters are technically better boxers than those their own age way back when, especially when it comes to head movement, footwork, and combinations. but some of the old-timers, mostly by virtue of being old and having much more experience, seemed to have a sixth-sense when it came to fighting. so, old argument. experience and craftiness or youth and aggression MU2, you're right about Tony Villalon. one of the first local kenpo fighters to beat muay thai guys. I don't use this word much, but Tony was a martial arts genius. died way too young |
| 3/28/12 6:58 AM | |
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MOB U2
Member Since: 9/3/11 Posts: 329 |
^I guess so. But so much young people think they are a 'FIGHTER' now after they can throw a round kick, do an okay sprawl, and have blue belt jj knowledge. I love it when I see them get eaten up by guys who do simple things to counter them, like a step off stiff jab to counter a superman punch or something like that. As for Tony, yeah it's too bad I never got to personally meet him and that he died too young. |
| 3/28/12 12:14 PM | |
JIMMYNAKS
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Member Since: 9/18/05 Posts: 21662 |
Where's the love for those guys in front of Walgreens on Keeamoku? Those guy have been striking for years!
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