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PoliticalGround >> new photos of WTC complex
| 8/25/06 2:57 PM | |
lelo
Edited: 25-Aug-06 Member Since: 01/01/2001 Posts: 1477 |
"You conspiracy theorists are retarded." you got a better explanation? |
| 8/25/06 3:42 PM | |
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CPracer16
Edited: 25-Aug-06 Member Since: 06/06/2006 Posts: 1269 |
Well well well, so I need to post the properties of jet fuel. Ok Kerosene also known as jet fuel, in an oxygen rich enviroment, that has to be sustained, can burn at a maximum temp of approx 1100* FH. The steel used in those building even if they were not treated would not melt or fail until approx 2800*. So looks like high school was rough on someone else. |
| 8/25/06 11:16 PM | |
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Fin
Edited: 25-Aug-06 Member Since: 01/01/2001 Posts: 16005 |
"The steel used in those building even if they were not treated would not melt or fail until approx 2800*." I wonder if someone also knows when heat applied to metal also makes metal more mallable. Have you ever seen a blacksmith work? Does he have to melt it to make it weaker to make it into the shape he'd like? Does he even apply much force when bending it? Not at all. Its not even high school science here, seems like middle school was rough on you Cpacer!! |
| 8/25/06 11:24 PM | |
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MR BIG1
Edited: 25-Aug-06 Member Since: 07/28/2002 Posts: 13095 |
LOL |
| 8/26/06 2:13 AM | |
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CPracer16
Edited: 26-Aug-06 Member Since: 06/06/2006 Posts: 1273 |
| 8/26/06 2:49 AM | |
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CPracer16
Edited: 26-Aug-06 Member Since: 06/06/2006 Posts: 1278 |
<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/C3E-26oVIIs"></param></object> |
| 8/26/06 2:51 AM | |
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CPracer16
Edited: 26-Aug-06 Member Since: 06/06/2006 Posts: 1279 |
<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Ewf3zYS-QkA"></param></object> |
| 8/26/06 3:06 AM | |
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CPracer16
Edited: 26-Aug-06 Member Since: 06/06/2006 Posts: 1280 |
WOW that building fell at free fall speed. Now how could that building collapse at free fall speed? Buildings that collapse meet resistence from their own material and therefore cannot collapse in freefall as both WTC towers and WTC building 7 did. Pyroclastic flows, which were evident as each building collapsed, only occur in cases of high explosive energies, as with volcanic eruptions and controlled demolitions. The Law of Gravity If you are still not convinced then consider this: How can a high-rise steel-framed building collapse on itself at the speed of gravity and almost entirely on its own footprints? It has never been recorded in history and I assure you that it never will be! Only by means of controlled demolition can such a building be brought down and implode on itself. If you would take the original footages and compare the collapse of each WTC building, especially the collapse of building 7, to the freefall of an object from the same altitude, you would see that all three buildings came down with nearly the speed of gravity, and in case of building 7 even faster! How can that be? CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. Only with controlled demolition you can create a vacuum in which a building comes down faster than the speed of gravity. |
| 8/26/06 8:54 AM | |
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lelo
Edited: 26-Aug-06 Member Since: 01/01/2001 Posts: 1479 |
"I wonder if someone also knows when heat applied to metal also makes metal more mallable. Have you ever seen a blacksmith work? Does he have to melt it to make it weaker to make it into the shape he'd like? Does he even apply much force when bending it? Not at all." fin, you're right. metal does become malleable, but WTC's steel frames were beyond malleable. for the towers to collapse like that, those frames have to be melted. |
| 8/26/06 9:28 AM | |
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CPracer16
Edited: 26-Aug-06 Member Since: 06/06/2006 Posts: 1282 |
I agree with you lelo and armbreaker |
| 8/26/06 9:30 AM | |
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MR BIG1
Edited: 26-Aug-06 Member Since: 07/28/2002 Posts: 13096 |
plus its takes a blacksmith a long time to get the metal that hot EEEEKK |
| 8/26/06 10:07 AM | |
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CPracer16
Edited: 26-Aug-06 Member Since: 06/06/2006 Posts: 1283 |
Lazer you missed the part that jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel. Much of the jet fuel on board the hijacked planes that plowed into the Towers burned off in fireballs outside the buildings. Instead of causing the fires to burn at extremely high temperatures, as was widely speculated,the role of the jet fuel was to ignite other combustible materials over several floors simultaneouslyThose fires eventually weakened the structural steel, leading to the Towers' collapse. WTC Building 7, which sustained no significant structural damage, collapsed on September 11 after burning uncontrolled for seven hours, was the first protected steel structure ever known to collapse solely due to fire. The team found that some connections between the structural steel beams failed in the fires. This was most apparent in WTC 5, where the fireproofing did not protect the connections, leading to a partial collapse. The design and construction of WTC 5 is typical of many steel-framed high rises. |
| 8/26/06 1:44 PM | |
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MR BIG1
Edited: 26-Aug-06 Member Since: 07/28/2002 Posts: 13104 |
so buildings are designed to fall?? HMMM |
| 8/26/06 1:45 PM | |
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MR BIG1
Edited: 26-Aug-06 Member Since: 07/28/2002 Posts: 13105 |
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| 8/26/06 2:05 PM | |
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cypherpunk
Edited: 26-Aug-06 Member Since: 05/02/2005 Posts: 969 |
It's sad that we even have to argue this. It's *so* abundantly clear that something fishy is going on. |
| 8/26/06 2:27 PM | |
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MR BIG1
Edited: 26-Aug-06 Member Since: 07/28/2002 Posts: 13107 |
The nature of the collapse past that point can be inferred by the shape of the rubble pile and the fact that it was covered by the remains of the exterior walls. This means that, not only did the building continue to fall vertically until the end, the outer walls were pulled inward so that they fell on top of the rubble pile.
In short, Building 7 imploded. Buildings are not designed to implode. They are designed to remain standing. To achieve a precisely vertical collapse, in which the remains of the building fall inward, is the objective of controlled demolition. |
| 8/26/06 2:27 PM | |
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MR BIG1
Edited: 26-Aug-06 Member Since: 07/28/2002 Posts: 13108 |
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| 8/28/06 1:47 PM | |
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CPracer16
Edited: 28-Aug-06 Member Since: 06/06/2006 Posts: 1290 |
your last addition did not go through, Mr big1 |
| 8/28/06 2:27 PM | |
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MR BIG1
Edited: 28-Aug-06 Member Since: 07/28/2002 Posts: 13169 |
its the same pic that is at the beg of the thread |
| 8/28/06 2:42 PM | |
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Edited: 28-Aug-06 03:16 PM Member Since: 01/01/2001 Posts: 38346 |
"Buildings are not designed to implode. They are designed to remain standing. To achieve a precisely vertical collapse, in which the remains of the building fall inward, is the objective of controlled demolition" Buildings are designed intending to withstand certain stresses. If they experience stress beyond that for which they are designed, or are not contructed according to design, or the design was flawed, then they can, and have, failed, resulting in collapses. How a building collapses depends on the stress it experienced and its construction. While vertical collapses are often the desired outcome in controlled demolition, that fact in no way "proves" such a collapse can only occur through controlled demolition. Controlled demolition is also used to cause a building to fall in a certain direction, such as away from a nearby building and into an empty lot. The fact that controlled demolition is used to cause building to fall in a given direction likewise does not mean that only controlled demolition can cause a building to fall away from vertical. |
| 8/28/06 3:45 PM | |
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CPracer16
Edited: 28-Aug-06 Member Since: 06/06/2006 Posts: 1291 |
WTC 7 fell at free fall speed. |
| 8/28/06 4:40 PM | |
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CPracer16
Edited: 28-Aug-06 Member Since: 06/06/2006 Posts: 1293 |
<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Ml_n5gJgQ_U"></param></object> |
| 8/28/06 4:47 PM | |
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CPracer16
Edited: 28-Aug-06 Member Since: 06/06/2006 Posts: 1294 |
<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Q9n8V33UbMI"></param></object> |
| 8/28/06 9:37 PM | |
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MR BIG1
Edited: 28-Aug-06 Member Since: 07/28/2002 Posts: 13177 |
WHATEVER YOU DO, DONT WATCH THEM JUST NAME CALL!! |
| 8/29/06 12:34 AM | |
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CPracer16
Edited: 29-Aug-06 Member Since: 06/06/2006 Posts: 1296 |
Well Gromble, I made a claim that WTC 7 came down at free fall speed. I backed it up with video evidence that clearly proved it did. You claimed that it did not and backed it up with, well, nothing. |
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