OtherGround Forum >> 5 Bizarre Secret Societies that run the world

Redneck - 

hiptosser - Red we talked about how the OTO is not the boogey man many seem to think it is.
There are long standing rumors about a cabal of OTO accolytes within the NSA and US military special warfare circles. I think largely due to Michael Aquino being public about his OTO past and his public role as leader of the Temple of Set.
Has any come across any credible information about this subject.

Interesting.

 

I don't know anything about the OTO in the USA, but as someone else stated earlier, it's rare to hear people include the OTO in any of these conspiracy theories about world domination.

 

What I can tell you is that I know some dudes from the Aussie chapter of the OTO, and they are completely oblivious to the shit many people think they get up to. They also have no clue whatsoever about the activities of the Freemasons, and there is no connection between the two groups at all.  I tell them stuff that is common knowledge to us and it really blows their mind sometimes, lol.

EVILYOSHIDA - 

Redneck - 

also masons call the masses profane.. so yes they do seem to believe they are part of some higher class.

Most esoteric societies use this term, it refers to the uninitiated.

yeah I know about that.. but I also feel it implies they are better.. and of course they have to feel better because they have shouldered the responsibility of "building society"

they consider themselves the "elect" or the chosen.

btw I voted you up.

It seems you are kind of into the esoteric to see what they are about and get more info.. but it also seems like you admire them.

Could you please expand on this? thanks professor.

this is not meant to be confrontational btw.

Redneck - 

 

 

 

Redneck - "hiptosser - I have heard that Crowely copied the Scotish Rite's 33degree rituals (as he was promoted to 33rd in the Scotish Rite in Mexico) and made it the rites of the OTO's 1rst the same as the Scotish Rites highest. That Crowely had some desire to recruit the MAsonic into the order."


Crowley's 33rd degree wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. Some dufous Mason gave it to him when they were partying together, it wasn't even done in a Masonic lodge, they were probably high on smack together at the time. The Scottish Rite never acknowledged Crowley as a Mason and flat out rejected his application to have the OTO made an official chapter of Freemasonry because they said it was a rip-off of Scottish Rite Masonry and could add nothing to the craft.



"hiptosser - I have heard this from Tsarion and Maxwell in different interviews. Maxwell is opnely a Mason, I think Tsarion is and he is generally very positive about Crowely and thinks he is grossly misunderstood (even by OTO members).

Again I have know idea is this or true or not, but those 2 seem to have credibility when talking Masonry."


I've never heard Maxwell admit that he's a Mason but his interpretation of the New Testament, and his teachings on Astro-Theology certainly seem in line with esoteric views.

I doubt that Tsarion is one, he's been highly critical of them in the past, I've even heard him speak about them with contempt. He does however admit to being a member of some group, but he wont say what. His name is odd too, its obviously fake but looks a bit like Star of Orion, to me.

P.S Sorry for th dumb quoting, my forum HTML function has now stopped working for some reason.

hiptosser - Oh Shit I almost forgot one of the best FreeMason CT is the Lord Randolph/Jack the Ripper theory.
That's a fun one!

Redneck - 

hiptosser - Oh Shit I almost forgot one of the best FreeMason CT is the Lord Randolph/Jack the Ripper theory.
That's a fun one!

I tend to believe that.

hiptosser - 
Has any one you read "Borne in Blood"?
A Masonic scholar wrote it and his contention is that the Masons were active much much earlier in England than 1717 and that they were behind The Peasants Revolt.

hiptosser - 

Redneck - 

hiptosser - Red we talked about how the OTO is not the boogey man many seem to think it is.
There are long standing rumors about a cabal of OTO accolytes within the NSA and US military special warfare circles. I think largely due to Michael Aquino being public about his OTO past and his public role as leader of the Temple of Set.
Has any come across any credible information about this subject.

Interesting.

 

I don't know anything about the OTO in the USA, but as someone else stated earlier, it's rare to hear people include the OTO in any of these conspiracy theories about world domination.

 

What I can tell you is that I know some dudes from the Aussie chapter of the OTO, and they are completely oblivious to the shit many people think they get up to. They also have no clue whatsoever about the activities of the Freemasons, and there is no connection between the two groups at all.  I tell them stuff that is common knowledge to us and it really blows their mind sometimes, lol.

I have heard that Crowely copied the Scotish Rite's 33degree rituals (as he was promoted to 33rd in the Scotish Rite in Mexico) and made it the rites of the OTO's 1rst the same as the Scotish Rites highest. That Crowely had some desire to recruit the MAsonic into the order.

I have heard this from Tsarion and Maxwell in different interviews. Maxwell is opnely a Mason, I think Tsarion is and he is generally very positive about Crowely and thinks he is grossly misunderstood (even by OTO members).

Again I have know idea is this or true or not, but those 2 seem to have credibility when talking Masonry.

No, Crowley didn't steal the 33rd degree. No, Crowley was not a 33rd.

I hate to go against Redneck, but Manly P. Hall, as I understand it, was actually initiated, passed, raised and then went through the degree work to be a 32nd. He couldn't have just been awarded the 32nd degree nor would the average non-Mason just randomly get awarded the 33rd, no matter how much they contribute to humanity. It's possible that he was initiated, passed and raised before assuming a steadfast position as a dues paying member for 30 years before someone told him to put in a position for Scottish Rite.

For general information, the degrees are not a ranking system. A 32nd degree Mason is not any more a Mason, nor does he really know more, than the average Master Mason. For God's sake, you don't even have to take all of the degrees to get to 32nd. When I went through Scottish Rite the first time, I only got the 4th, 5th, 14th, 18th, 31st and 32nd and it was this way with all 200 people in my class. Now that I actually participate in the degree work, I can say that over the course of a weekend it's usually those degrees that they get.

hiptosser - 
Has any one you read "Borne in Blood"?
A Masonic scholar wrote it and his contention is that the Masons were active much much earlier in England than 1717 and that they were behind The Peasants Revolt.

John Robinson, from all of the information I have, was/is not a Mason.

Redneck - There's a good book on the Ripper/Freemason thing and if you can believe the evidence provided in it, it seems that the Police, who were nearly all Freemasons in the UK at the time, recognised Masonic symbolism at the crime scenes, so they covered it up.

The author presents a pretty good case for his argument.

There are differences in the rituals between states, let alone countries. That said, the penalties of the obligations are a means of recognition and, therefore, mostly uniform. There's none of the killings that have anything to do with any of the penalties in any of the obligations I've read or participated in. Furthermore, though it's happened sparingly throughout history, women can't be Freemasons for the simple fact that they're women. On top of that, it's a violation of the obligation to be present at the initiating, passing or raising of a woman.