OtherGround Forum >> Treasonous Republicans Want to Secede....

Steel Bayou -  The ignorance of OP is what is wrong is wrong with this country. Not many peaceful options when the idiots and takers outnumber the moderately intelligent and the contributors.

The ironing... It's too much.

CavemanDave -

pfsjkd -

IDXtreme - 

pfsjkd - 

IDXtreme - I think the treasonous act was Lincoln preventing the constitutional right to secede. We have been stripped of our rights ever since.

Seeing as the SCOTUS determined that secession was unconstitutional in Texas v. White, it's hard to back up Lincoln as being treasonous, and that's probably one of the dumber things ever written on this forum.

BTW, yea, we would have been MUCH better off if the US had been split. Jesus.

Just because an activist SCOTUS said it was doesn't make it right. Need I point out their recent ruling on obamacare?

 

You're getting dumber by the second. Whenever someone says 'activist court' it translates to 'one that I don't happen agree with'. Tough shit. The rule of law set up by the Constitution is that the SCOTUS has the last word on constitutionality. Don't like? Get enough support to ammend the Constitution. Oh, wait, that's hard to do, right? Instead, I guess I'll just bitch about how 'activist' the court is.

 

Please point out to me the section of the constitution that explicitly states the supreme court is the sole arbiter of constitutionality through the process of judicial review.

Thanks.

Steel Bayou - The ignorance of OP is what is wrong is wrong with this country. Not many peaceful options when the idiots and takers outnumber the moderately intelligent and the contributors.

Kneeblock -

CavemanDave -

pfsjkd -

IDXtreme - 

pfsjkd - 

IDXtreme - I think the treasonous act was Lincoln preventing the constitutional right to secede. We have been stripped of our rights ever since.

Seeing as the SCOTUS determined that secession was unconstitutional in Texas v. White, it's hard to back up Lincoln as being treasonous, and that's probably one of the dumber things ever written on this forum.

BTW, yea, we would have been MUCH better off if the US had been split. Jesus.

Just because an activist SCOTUS said it was doesn't make it right. Need I point out their recent ruling on obamacare?

 

You're getting dumber by the second. Whenever someone says 'activist court' it translates to 'one that I don't happen agree with'. Tough shit. The rule of law set up by the Constitution is that the SCOTUS has the last word on constitutionality. Don't like? Get enough support to ammend the Constitution. Oh, wait, that's hard to do, right? Instead, I guess I'll just bitch about how 'activist' the court is.

 

Please point out to me the section of the constitution that explicitly states the supreme court is the sole arbiter of constitutionality through the process of judicial review.

Thanks.

According to Marbury vs Madison, it's implicit in Article III and VI.

Joe Ray - How can this be considered anything other than brute hatred of America?

This is a time of war and we are still engaged in an existential struggle against an evil enemy in the form of Islamic extremism.

It seems to me that these cowardly Republicans want to turn their back on their nation in the hour of its' most desperate need.

Why? Because at heart they are nothing but treasonous cowards, that's why. And they have just been outed as such.

CavemanDave - 

Kneeblock -According to Marbury vs Madison, it's implicit in Article III and VI.

Yea... Not what I asked for is it? I'm very aware that the supreme court has decided they have tremendous, unique, and trumping power implied by the constitution.

Shocking that a body of men would find an implicit power granted to themselves so great you would wonder why it isn't explicitly stated.

Your point would be valid if it was decided centuries after the Constitution was written, but seeing as how it was decreed literally within a couple years makes the point moot. The men sitting on that court were just as much the founders of this country as the men who wrote the document (some of them, like John Marshall, were instrumental in getting it ratified).

The interpretations of Marbury v. Madison were consistent with the laws of jurisprudence they emanated from (in the English system) and validated by the Supremacy Clause and the powers delegated to the judiciary. None of the other framers seemed to have much problem with it at the time, so your point is clearly moot.

kylethasnizake - 

Joe Ray - How can this be considered anything other than brute hatred of America?

This is a time of war and we are still engaged in an existential struggle against an evil enemy in the form of Islamic extremism.

It seems to me that these cowardly Republicans want to turn their back on their nation in the hour of its' most desperate need.

Why? Because at heart they are nothing but treasonous cowards, that's why. And they have just been outed as such.

your a dumb fuck, States rights is all about the state checking the power of the federal government, so its not about treason, its about real patriotism. If you love liberty, you have to resist tyrants. It is the size and out of control nature is why we are in trouble around the world anyways, we need to cast aside the assholes who got us here.

This happens every election.

How many Dems threatened to leave after President Bush won both times?

It just goes to show that Republicans and Democrats are the same people cheering for two similar teams.

Here's something both parties can be bi-partisan about:

And it really doesn't bother me if you vote me down for telling you guys the truth.

If y'all were any different from the people you claim to hate, the country would be a lot better off right now.

Here you go, a book fans of either team can read:

Okkun - 

kylethasnizake - 

Joe Ray - How can this be considered anything other than brute hatred of America?

This is a time of war and we are still engaged in an existential struggle against an evil enemy in the form of Islamic extremism.

It seems to me that these cowardly Republicans want to turn their back on their nation in the hour of its' most desperate need.

Why? Because at heart they are nothing but treasonous cowards, that's why. And they have just been outed as such.

your a dumb fuck, States rights is all about the state checking the power of the federal government, so its not about treason, its about real patriotism. If you love liberty, you have to resist tyrants. It is the size and out of control nature is why we are in trouble around the world anyways, we need to cast aside the assholes who got us here.

Assholes like Lincoln?

CavemanDave -  Nonsense.

If this power should have existed, then it should have been put in place by those who's job it was to create law and it should have been brought up at the ratifying conventions that Marshal was a part of...it wasn't, the people that ratified this process were sold a completely different bill of goods.

The act of taking unauthorized power in a constitutional republic doesn't make that taking of power constitutional simply because it goes unchallenged in federal court , or because congress doesn't pass an amendment strictly forbidding it. (And note that I think some of the courts self-granted powers have been challenged by acts of state nullification, even if that challenge to power didn't take place in a federal courtroom)

Come on Dave. Seriously. The Constitution is a contract. Are you seriously saying that just because they didn't put it in the contract on the day they signed it, there's no room for renegotiation or clarification? The framers built the Constitution as a work in progress, not as a final document. By the logic you're using, none of the amendments should be valid either. 

"The people that ratified this process" included and were in many ways led by the John Marshall. If the legislature thought it was ridiculous, they had the ability to ammend the Constitution, which they were doing quite a bit in those early nation-building days, but they didn't, so to say the Court had somehow gone rogue and seized undelegated powers is specious.

Rouge Mod -

It's the childish mewling of people who most likely don't even comprehend what they are wishing for, or that they are using an Obama-created program to wish for it.

Badmonkey - Its only slightly serious because of how divisive Obama's rhetoric has been.

Scythrop - Apparently someone started another petition calling for all the signers of the secession petitions to be stripped of their US citizenship and exiled.

One can dream.

e. kaye - 

Scotland, Ireland and Wales have the same idea wise guy.

kylethasnizake - 

Joe Ray - How can this be considered anything other than brute hatred of America?

This is a time of war and we are still engaged in an existential struggle against an evil enemy in the form of Islamic extremism.

It seems to me that these cowardly Republicans want to turn their back on their nation in the hour of its' most desperate need.

Why? Because at heart they are nothing but treasonous cowards, that's why. And they have just been outed as such.

your a dumb fuck, States rights is all about the state checking the power of the federal government, so its not about treason, its about real patriotism. If you love liberty, you have to resist tyrants. It is the size and out of control nature is why we are in trouble around the world anyways, we need to cast aside the assholes who got us here.