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OtherGround Forum >> Piers Morgan gets owned over gun control
| 12/18/12 10:51 PM | |
othree
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Member Since: 10/5/10 Posts: 2697 |
Skimming some of these posts...sigh...what has happened to this society :/ |
| 12/18/12 10:53 PM | |
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pulsar
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 48743 |
Oh, both addressed - and in thumping fashion might I add. I was worried I might have missed something. I still think your dichotomies are great. LMAO @ The ladder analogy. |
| 12/18/12 11:02 PM | |
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awilson82
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pulsar -With what ur 40k gun deaths? Never mind it's actually around 30k and only 9-10k are murders including justified ones and that number is falling. Laugh all u want but it's true ladder falls kill more than rifles. Now I know ur going to parrot "but ladders have a purpose guns just kill" except that's incorrect as the firearm and accessory market is incredibly large and less than one hundredth of a percent of gun owners intentionally shoot someone per year so guns are obviously serve recreational and sporting purposes to the 40% plus of Americans who own then. 
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| 12/18/12 11:12 PM | |
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theseanster
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I'm all for adding background checks to gun shows the same as I had to go through at a gun store, limiting types of ammo (armor piercing), etc. However, disarming law abiding citizens and leaving guns in the hands of criminals who don't obey gun laws is silly. Exploiting the school shooting to advance that agenda is disgusting too. |
| 12/18/12 11:18 PM | |
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pulsar
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 48745 |
It's actually the accidental and suicide deaths that are just as concerning as the murders, and it also points to the cultural issues, which is the main part of the problem to tackle. Stats range between 30-40k yearly gun deaths, but I'll concede it's at the lowed end of the range. Sorry, I'm just going to laugh some more about the ladders thing. I'm imagining a ladder used as a deadly weapon. If ladders were designed to take lives, like bladed corners and scythed steps you'd have some semblance of a point. |
| 12/18/12 11:51 PM | |
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Shogun of Harlem
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 18987 |
awilson82 -pulsar -With what ur 40k gun deaths? Never mind it's actually around 30k and only 9-10k are murders including justified ones and that number is falling. Stop with that angle already. Ladders are not made to kill, cars are not made to kill - guns are made to kill. Get a different line for being pro-guns - that one is, well, dumb. |
| 12/18/12 11:54 PM | |
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awilson82
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Shogun of Harlem -Obviously guns aren't either. At least that's not what 99.9% or more of their owners use them for. Again u need to learn to read my posts before U respond.awilson82 -pulsar -With what ur 40k gun deaths? Never mind it's actually around 30k and only 9-10k are murders including justified ones and that number is falling.
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| 12/18/12 11:54 PM | |
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pulsar
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 48748 |
TTT for nuanced political and social positions. |
| 12/18/12 11:56 PM | |
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oblongo
Member Since: 4/20/02 Posts: 4333 |
theseanster - Gun dealers always have to do a background heck whether they are selling in their store or at a gun show. |
| 12/19/12 6:55 AM | |
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419
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Unjustified gun deaths are the detriment, and we can reduce that number without disarming the people. You're purposefully ignoring the benefit: there will always be some who will use violence to get what they want, unless they're stopped. |
| 12/19/12 2:20 PM | |
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Shogun of Harlem
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 18993 |
awilson82 -Shogun of Harlem -Obviously guns aren't either. At least that's not what 99.9% or more of their owners use them for. Again u need to learn to read my posts before U respond.awilson82 -pulsar -With what ur 40k gun deaths? Never mind it's actually around 30k and only 9-10k are murders including justified ones and that number is falling. The primary purpose of a gun is to kill. The primary purpose of a car is to drive. It's that simple. |
| 12/19/12 2:36 PM | |
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CavemanDave
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Shogun of Harlem -I have guns at home. They were indeed designed to kill.awilson82 -Shogun of Harlem -Obviously guns aren't either. At least that's not what 99.9% or more of their owners use them for. Again u need to learn to read my posts before U respond.awilson82 -pulsar -With what ur 40k gun deaths? Never mind it's actually around 30k and only 9-10k are murders including justified ones and that number is falling. Specifically they were designed to kill game birds and deer. Most of the guns in the US weren't designed to kill humans, despite the fact they do a bang up job at it. I keep on hearing the importance of potential intent of lethal objects on these threads without anybody ever explaining how the deaths are better or worse based on the method of death. Personally if my child died, I don't think it would cry less at his funeral if he was shot by a madman, hit by a car, drowned in a pool, or fell off a ladder. 
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| 12/19/12 2:40 PM | |
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TexDeuce
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Member Since: 7/15/04 Posts: 18561 |
Shogun, what is your stance on this issue? |
| 12/19/12 3:13 PM | |
the chief
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Member Since: 1/30/04 Posts: 13330 |
Published on Dec 19, 2012
British wanker Piers Morgan resorts to childish name calling after horribly losing a gun control debate with Larry Pratt who is the executive director of the Gun Owners of America. |
| 12/19/12 3:18 PM | |
MickColins
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Member Since: 7/14/08 Posts: 10388 |
He also got spanked on twitter by Opie from Opie and Anthony
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| 12/19/12 3:47 PM | |
GapingAxeWound
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I've said it before and I'll say it again Piers Morgan is a cunt Don't fool yourself, he couldn't give a fuck about gun control and murder rates, that prick would say anything to get on tv and sell more books When he was editor of The Mirror he published photos and ran story's about British servicemen abusing Iraqi prisoners when it was already confirmed to him that they were fake, he lost his job for that The man is morally bankrupt, the best way to make him go away is to ignore him just don't send him back here
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| 12/19/12 4:18 PM | |
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othree
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Member Since: 10/5/10 Posts: 2714 |
Piers Morgan is a sick individual. Sadly, there are individuals who are even more deranged and sick in the mind than him....those that willingly tune into his television show. |
| 12/19/12 4:27 PM | |
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White347LX
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 55965 |
GapingAxeWound - I've said it before and I'll say it again Piers Morgan is a cunt Alright, we'll take one for the team and keep this clown. Just don't let it happen again! |
| 12/19/12 4:27 PM | |
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RobinHood
Member Since: 7/25/10 Posts: 2384 |
Ive been pretty mean to the pro-gun ppl on this thread. I've taken sometime to think about the US situation. I agree the arguments for gun control is difficult for most to stomach. Babies dying is cruel and wasn't due to guns but the freak that used it. Guns can't be taken away from criminals and law abiding citizens feel unprotected. American adolescent freaks do need to be identified - and their families, social workers, teachers need to do more to identify and help these individuals to reduce the chance of another massacre. I do believe massacres such as these will be repeated over and over again.
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| 12/19/12 4:54 PM | |
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White347LX
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 55969 |
"American adolescent freaks do need to be identified - and their families, social workers, teachers need to do more to identify and help these individuals to reduce the chance of another massacre." It seems we'd rather dope our kids up with prescription drugs and pretend there's nothing wrong. |
| 12/19/12 5:06 PM | |
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awilson82
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Shogun of Harlem -No the primary purpose of a gun is to move a piece of metal from point A to point B rapidly. As I've said multiple times 99.9% plus of gun owners use it for this purpose in recreational ways which don't harm anyone.awilson82 -Shogun of Harlem -Obviously guns aren't either. At least that's not what 99.9% or more of their owners use them for. Again u need to learn to read my posts before U respond.awilson82 -pulsar -With what ur 40k gun deaths? Never mind it's actually around 30k and only 9-10k are murders including justified ones and that number is falling.
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| 12/19/12 5:18 PM | |
Chief Meteorologist Brick Tamland
Member Since: 7/12/10 Posts: 2304 |
White347LX - "American adolescent freaks do need to be identified - and their families, social workers, teachers need to do more to identify and help these individuals to reduce the chance of another massacre." THIS is the heart of the issue. The original assault weapons ban was a COLOSSAL failure. Lawmakers and kneejerkers failed to realize that in the absence of "assault rifles" crazy people will use something else that's just as deadly. Starting another assault weapons ban will be similar to putting a gum wrapper on a gunshot wound. There are other reforms such as strengthening the currently used background checks and re-examining the way we look at and report those with mental illnesses. I know this post will be ignored, don't know why I posted it. |
| 12/19/12 6:48 PM | |
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pulsar
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 48754 |
Piers was in full voice last night again. Calling a gun advocate 'stupid'. He's really quite a dick - BUT, he represents majority international views on an international news channel, just with horrible delivery. |
| 12/19/12 6:51 PM | |
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pulsar
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 48755 |
awilson82 -Shogun of Harlem -No the primary purpose of a gun is to move a piece of metal from point A to point B rapidly. As I've said multiple times 99.9% plus of gun owners use it for this purpose in recreational ways which don't harm anyone.awilson82 -Shogun of Harlem -Obviously guns aren't either. At least that's not what 99.9% or more of their owners use them for. Again u need to learn to read my posts before U respond.awilson82 -pulsar -With what ur 40k gun deaths? Never mind it's actually around 30k and only 9-10k are murders including justified ones and that number is falling. Are you in the military wilson? Cos I might have to support the dude with advanced training on them over keyboard warrior x. |
| 12/19/12 6:53 PM | |
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419
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The impression that I got from President Obama's press conference is that he's calling for tighter gun control in order to appear pro-active. He admitted that it wouldn't be 100% effective, and didn't call for repealing the 2A. |
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