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" Zyklon B was an insecticide. It was used to killing lice in prisoners' clothes since lice were spreading deadly typhus. Zyklon B actually saved lives of many prisoners."

It was a Cyanide based Pesticide.  It is still manufactured in the Czech republic under a different name for the eradication of small animals.

A common ruse by the Germans were to tell the victims they were going to de-lousing chambers, and then were gassed.

They even implemented a portable "De-lousing Van", which was a portable gas chamber., but abandoned it because it was too inefficient.
 

A quote:

 Johann Kremer, an SS doctor who oversaw the gassings, testified that: "Shouting and screaming of the victims could be heard through the opening and it was clear that they fought for their lives."[29] If the gas chamber had been crowded, which they typically were, the corpses were found half-squatting, their skin discolored pink with red and green spots, with some found foaming at the mouth or bleeding from the ears.[28]

Zyklon B is a cyanide-based poisonous gas that interferes with cellular respiration. Specifically, cyanide prevents the cell from producing ATP by binding to one of the proteins involved in the electron transport chain.[36] This protein, cytochrome c oxidase, contains several subunits and has ligands containing iron groups. At one of these iron groups, heme a3, the cyanide component of Zyklon B can bind, forming a more stabilized compound through metal-to-ligand pi bonding. As a result of this new iron-cyanide complex, the electrons which would situate themselves on the heme a3 group can no longer do so. Instead, because of the new bond formed between the iron and the cyanide, these electrons destabilize the compound (based on molecular orbital theory); thus, the heme group no longer accepts them. Consequently, electron transport is halted, and the cell can no longer produce the energy needed to synthesize ATP.[36]

"- Crematories: not designed for big capacity. Only one body at the time can be put into one chamber. Obviously to collect the ashes for relatives. Burning the bodies was important in the fight against diseases."

Modern Crematories function that way. Not so in the Camps.

Holocaust Deniers say:

The crematoria ovens at Auschwitz couldn't possibly have disposed of the remains of the 1.1 million Jews who supposedly died there. After all, it takes several hours to burn one body in a civilian crematorium oven.
In the Leuchter Report, Leuchter theorized that since modern crematoria ovens can cremate one body in 1.25 hours, or 19.2 bodies in 24 hours that must mean it was the same at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Based on this observation and allowing for down time for maintenance and repairs, he concluded that 'only' 85,092 bodies could have been cremated.1
Carlo Mattogno, an Italian denier, built his arguments on Leuchter's amateurish speculations, in a 1994 monograph.2 To prove the ovens could not have cremated enough bodies he compared the operation of modern civilian ovens to the situation in Auschwitz-Birkenau.3

However,

In Auschwitz the authorities were not burdened by respect for the dead or any need to consider civilian rules or laws regarding cremation.
Multiple bodies were cremated together. The muffles (the actual openings in the oven; there were 52 in total in Auschwitz) were filled with as many bodies as could be fit into them.
The men who worked in the Sonderkommandos quickly learned how to combine the bodies of fat people, skeletal 'Muselmänner' and children to achieve maximum results (that is, more bodies could be burned in less time).
Once the first bodies started to burn they just kept putting more bodies in to keep the fires hot. The result was continuous operation at very high efficiency in which very little fuel was needed to keep the process going for hours or days.

    Henryk Tauber, a member of a Sonderkommando that worked in Cremas 1, 2 and 5, recalled after the war: "We worked in two shifts, a day shift and a night shift. On average, we incinerated 2,500 bodies a day."5
    Tauber also described how the muffles were filled with multiple bodies: "The procedure was to put the first body with the feet towards the muffle, back down and face up. Then a second body was placed on top, again face up, but head towards the muffle. . . . We had to work fast, for the bodies put in first soon started to burn, and their arms and legs rose up. If we were slow, it was difficult to charge the second part of bodies . . . We burned the bodies of children with those of adults. First we put in two adults, then as many children as the muffle could contain. It was sometimes as many as five or six. We used this procedure so that the bodies of children would not be placed directly on the grid bars, which were relatively far apart. In this way we prevented the children from falling through into the ash bin. Women's bodies burned much better and more quickly than those of men. For this reason, when a charge was burning badly, we would introduce a woman's body to accelerate the combustion."6
    "Generally speaking, we burned four or five bodies at a time in one muffle, but sometimes we charged a greater number of bodies. It was possible to charge up to eight 'Muselmanns.' Such big charges were incinerated without the knowledge of the head of the crematorium during air raid warnings in order to attract the attention of airmen by having a bigger fire emerging from the chimney. We imagined that in that way it might be possible to change our fate."7
    Filip Müller, also a member of a Sonderkommando that cremated bodies, confirmed the process of multiple cremations in his memoirs. The bodies were ". . . sorted according to their combustibility: for the bodies of the well-nourished were to help burn the emaciated. Under the direction of the Kapos, the bearers began sorting the dead into four stacks. The largest consisted mainly of strong men, the next in size of women, then came children, and lastly a stack of dead Mussulmans, emaciated and nothing but skin and bones. This technique was called 'express work,' a designation thought up by the Kommandoführers and originating from experiments carried out in crematorium 5 in the autumn of 1943. The purpose of these experiments was to find a way of saving coke. . . . Thus the bodies of two Mussulmans were cremated together with those of two children or the bodies of two well-nourished men together with that of an emaciated woman, each load consisting of three, or sometimes, four bodies."8

Rudolf Höss, the commandant of Auschwitz, confirmed Tauber's and Müller's accounts of burning multiple bodies in each muffle: "Depending on the size of the bodies, up to three bodies could be put in through one oven door at the same time. The time required for cremation also depended on the number of bodies in each retort, but on average it took twenty minutes."9
Additional instructions from Topf in September 1941 advised that "once the cremation chamber has been brought to a good red heat the bodies can be introduced one after the other in the cremation chambers." This letter again cautioned against letting the ovens cool.10

The authorities in Auschwitz abandoned any respect for the dead and did not abide by civilian laws of cremation. They burned multiple bodies at one time, continuously pushing in more to keep the fires hot.
Therefore, citing the civilian cremation process as some kind of proof that the ovens in Auschwitz-Birkenau couldn't have handled so many bodies is a false comparison.

Chimonos Revenge - Holocaust denial is a form of anti-semitism

Chief Meteorologist Brick Tamland -

Roosevelt tried to start the war against Germany but the problem was that Americans were against the war so FDR had to make it look so that Hitler is the aggressor.

LOL @ this garbage. Most Americans favored jumping into the war, but Roosevelt did not. If not for Pearl Harbor it would have been much later, if at all, when the US would join the war.

:Blue name assistance please:
Following picture if from Life magazine in 1940 and poll of how Americans felt about the war at the time.

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Pustak - 

EVILYOSHIDA - ^ but it is a double standard that you see on this board.

This is a private website, I can totally agree that Kirik can do whatever he wants.. but if any talk regarding jewish people/israel is not fair game, then they should make it more widely known.

Feel free to talk about Jewish people or Israel. I know you like to do that.

What we won't have is Newspite blaming WWII on evil international Jewish conspiracies and denying the Holocaust. Don't talk to me about "historical inquiry". I am a professional historian, and there is no historical ground for those kinds of claims. Newspite isn't talking about Katyn - he's blaming the victims of German aggression for their own deaths using the same tired excuses that Goebbels cooked up for Hitler. It's just warmed-over Nazi propaganda, and letting it go when we know better makes us complicit in the deaths of millions of innocents, Jewish and not, who died in death camps, summary mass shootings, and planned famines. I can't be everywhere on this forum to delete all the racism/bigotry/etc. but when I see it I am going to do something about it.

That clarified, please feel free to continue disliking me.

Well, there are many historians that disagree with you. It's not just me.

I don't think that I have been racist. Isn't it then also racistic to blame Germans about everything?

I could easily debunk the Holocaust, anytime. But, I won't do it since it's not allowed here.

Chief Meteorologist Brick Tamland - 

Roosevelt tried to start the war against Germany but the problem was that Americans were against the war so FDR had to make it look so that Hitler is the aggressor.

LOL @ this garbage. Most Americans favored jumping into the war, but Roosevelt did not. If not for Pearl Harbor it would have been much later, if at all, when the US would join the war.

:Blue name assistance please:
Following picture if from Life magazine in 1940 and poll of how Americans felt about the war at the time.

pic.twitter.com/pIMUu6XM

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