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OtherGround Forum >> 10 Pro-Gun Myths: Shot Down
| 1/31/13 3:42 PM | |
dangerboy12
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 23643 |
3 Sided Square -dangerboy12 - Fact:Fact the majority of shooters in Chicago are black. yes that is also a fact! |
| 1/31/13 3:44 PM | |
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JolietJake
Member Since: 11/17/05 Posts: 2420 |
I guess an ex cop isn't a citizen??? Oh I see, semantics so that makes it technically incorrect. Got it. |
| 1/31/13 3:44 PM | |
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angryinch
Member Since: 3/14/04 Posts: 96186 |
dabigchet - it said civilians, you illiterate twat. the first was NOT stopped by the principal. the second was a ex-cop which is why i said technically incorrect. Pearl Mississippi, 1997, Joel Myrick, assistant Prinicipal at Pearl High School, stopped a 16 year student
December 2008, Colorado Springs, Jeanne Assam, church member who was providing security at her church during service, shot a killed a man who had entered the church and began shooting people.
There is no "technically" here. The first one was in fact STOPPED, exactly as it says in your own article, which you obviously failed to read, and the second one was an EX cop, as in NO LONGER A COP, as in NOT A COP.
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| 1/31/13 3:45 PM | |
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Sogsteel
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Member Since: 6/13/03 Posts: 4576 |
Vulva Fabulous - The best stat is that there are more accidental gun deaths where guns are legal compared to where they are illegal. LMFAO!!! |
| 1/31/13 3:46 PM | |
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Trust
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Edited: 01/31/13 3:58 PM Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 71135 |
The assertion that armed civilians are ineffective at stopping a mass shooting is flawed. First, how many of those took place at "gun free" locations? Second, even assuming, arguendo, that their figure of 0 mass shootings being stopped does not mean no future mass shootings would be stopped by an armed civilian. This is breaking the rule of "correlation =/= causation" and extending it into the future. So it's a double fallacy. Furthermore, a "mass shooting" is defined as a shooting incident where 4 or more people are killed. That would mean if the shooter were stopped before killing 4 people, it's not counted as a mass shooting. |
| 1/31/13 3:49 PM | |
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419
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Member Since: 11/12/00 Posts: 23835 |
The FBI defines a mass shooting as more than four victims, not including the shooter. In the Oregon Mall shooting, the assertion is that the presence of an armed citizen prevented the incident from becoming a mass shooting. I have offered prima facie evidence that an armed citizen prevented a mass shooting, and you didn't even try to rebut that claim. |
| 1/31/13 3:52 PM | |
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dabigchet
Member Since: 9/10/07 Posts: 11203 |
angryinch -dabigchet - it said civilians, you illiterate twat. the first was NOT stopped by the principal. the second was a ex-cop which is why i said technically incorrect. here is why you are an idiot. someone posts an unsourced statement that the principal "stopped" the shooter. the very first source i found said the principal got the gun, shouted at the kid to stop AS HE WAS ESCAPING, the kid CONTINUED FLEEING, and was apprehended in his car. you respond to this by bolding the word stopped. well, that is really convincing. he stopped the kid after he shot a bunch of people and was in the parking lot in his car. if that principal didn't have that gun, well, well, pretty much the same people would have been shot now wouldn't they, genius? if you don't know what the word STOPPED means, you may be the OG's dumbest poster. the second case was an ex-cop working security according to the first source i looked at. i said "technically" because the spirit of what the author meant holds true. that is not the joe cowboy CCW OG poster like yourself who thinks if your on the scene you got that shit covered. |
| 1/31/13 3:58 PM | |
suess
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Member Since: 11/1/10 Posts: 15334 |
dabigchet -angryinch -dabigchet - it said civilians, you illiterate twat. the first was NOT stopped by the principal. the second was a ex-cop which is why i said technically incorrect. the shooter of the pearl high school situation said he was going to the middle school or something to continue shooting people. so i think the word stopped probably fits here. |
| 1/31/13 4:03 PM | |
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jzspanky
Member Since: 11/26/02 Posts: 4947 |
Interesting article and typical responses from both sides 
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| 1/31/13 4:04 PM | |
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419
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Member Since: 11/12/00 Posts: 23836 |
The Pearl High School shooter was allegedly headed to the middle school to shoot more people. http://www.davekopel.com/2a/othwr/principal&gun.htm |
| 1/31/13 4:07 PM | |
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dabigchet
Member Since: 9/10/07 Posts: 11204 |
he was, and he crashed his car. |
| 1/31/13 4:08 PM | |
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suess
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Member Since: 11/1/10 Posts: 15337 |
dabigchet - he was, and he crashed his car. hmm, i haven't read that anywhere. got a source? (not trying to be a dick) |
| 1/31/13 4:09 PM | |
AssassinsNATION
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Member Since: 3/20/11 Posts: 954 |
WidespreadPanic -Really?!? cause I live in VA and don't find that true at all
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| 1/31/13 4:12 PM | |
12SixElbow
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Member Since: 4/15/09 Posts: 16016 |
liberal POS article.
Myth #4: More good guys with guns can stop rampaging bad guys.
FACT 2.5 million people legally defend themselves with guns each year (according to the FBI) FACT in 2012, in Portland a shooter was stopped because a mall shopper drew on him (Clackamas town center shooting).
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| 1/31/13 4:14 PM | |
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419
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"The subject of whether more guns and concealed-carry permits could help fight mass shootings is highly controversial. An investigation by Mother Jones concluded that no more than 1.6 percent of mass shootings were ended by armed civilians. On the other hand, gun advocates argue that it’s hard to know how many more shootings would have become mass murders had civilians not been on the scene to end them early. (Following the FBI’s definition of a mass murder, Mother Jones accounted only for murders of four or more.) Furthermore, gun advocates argue that many mass murderers target “gun-free” zones, like schools, where the victims are defenseless against shooters." http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/12/can_armed_citizens_stop_mass_shootings_examples_of_armed_interventions.html |
| 1/31/13 4:17 PM | |
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12SixElbow
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Member Since: 4/15/09 Posts: 16018 |
Even if they do not stop MASS murder, they're stopping a LOT of murders. 2.5 million people legally defend themselves with guns each year (according to the FBI)
Could be preventing 2 million murders a year? who knows.
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| 1/31/13 4:24 PM | |
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hermanitor
Edited: 01/31/13 4:29 PM Member Since: 4/11/08 Posts: 3588 |
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| 1/31/13 4:26 PM | |
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419
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Do you think the kid might have lost control of his vehicle because he was being chased by an armed citizen? |
| 1/31/13 4:33 PM | |
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419
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Member Since: 11/12/00 Posts: 23839 |
Regarding the number of defensive gun uses: http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html |
| 1/31/13 4:41 PM | |
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dabigchet
Member Since: 9/10/07 Posts: 11205 |
suess -dabigchet - he was, and he crashed his car. np. from the link that 419 posted "But Myrick foiled that plan. He saw the killer fleeing the campus and positioned himself to point a gun at the windshield. Woodham, seeing the gun pointed at his head, crashed the car. " would he have crashed it if the principal didn't have a gun? dunno. maybe not. but its not this "gotcha! the gun stopped the shooter" scenario that it is being portrayed to be is all. |
| 1/31/13 4:43 PM | |
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Munk
Member Since: 9/4/08 Posts: 1825 |
I almost feel bad for nitwits....but not quite. |
| 1/31/13 4:44 PM | |
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dabigchet
Member Since: 9/10/07 Posts: 11206 |
"FACT: in 2012, in Portland a shooter was stopped because a mall shopper drew on him (Clackamas town center shooting)." lol. that shooter was stopped BY HIS OWN BULLET. was stopped. you have got to be kidding me...what a series of facts in this here thread. |
| 1/31/13 4:45 PM | |
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Biggy
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 8318 |
holy crap did I get 2 vote downs for copy and pasting something from the other site?? somehow I don't think I got vote downs from posting that John Holmes had the biggest cock in porn if he had Viagra on that Lexington Steele thread...
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| 1/31/13 4:45 PM | |
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suess
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dabigchet -suess -dabigchet - he was, and he crashed his car. i think it's more likely the guy with the gun caused him to crash than the shooter just crashed all on his own like you're trying to portray. |
| 1/31/13 4:54 PM | |
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419
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Member Since: 11/12/00 Posts: 23841 |
Myrick saw the shooting, and went to his truck to get his pistol. His truck wasn't parked at the gun-free school. He didn't try to stop the shooter while unarmed. Once armed, he was able to prevent the shooter from harming anyone else. |
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