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Traditional Martial Arts >> Mas Oyama working out with some TKDers.
| 6/2/09 8:52 AM | |
Ogami Itto
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Edited: 06/02/09 8:51 AM Member Since: 11/12/02 Posts: 38271 |
1967 |
| 6/2/09 4:13 PM | |
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FlashGordon2002
Member Since: 5/23/02 Posts: 18147 |
You can see how much Kyokushinkai has evolved since then. In that footage, he's practically fighting out of a cat stance, something which NOONE does now in Karate (at least the last time I looked). |
| 6/4/09 8:34 AM | |
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KyokushinCatch
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Member Since: 8/2/02 Posts: 623 |
cool. never seen this clip before. yep, in the early days of Kyokushin, we were taught to fight from a modified form of the cat stance (enshin no kamae; cat stance is neko ashi dachi). comes from the Goju-Ryu influence Oyama received from So Nei Chu and Yamaguchi Gogen ("the Cat"). i won't knock it though. when i competed in kickboxing, i used that stance at kicking distance. lead leg kicks and leg checks (shin blocks) were really quick from that stance, and power (rear leg) kicks were launched with a quick step forward (often angled) with the same lead leg (a boxing stance was utilized when the range closed to punching distance). interesting seeing Oyama performing an early version of Tensho kata and giving Korean TKDist sparring tips. |
| 6/11/09 1:41 PM | |
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yusul
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Edited: 06/11/09 1:41 PM Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 11587 |
oyama was korean and was in talks with choi to unify/merge with taekowndo (it's an old article i read, i believe it was an inteview with oyama); i believe it was called the KTA at the time. |
| 6/19/09 10:21 AM | |
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Outkaster
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 677 |
Interesting how things have involved since then. |
| 6/20/09 2:38 AM | |
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FlashGordon2002
Member Since: 5/23/02 Posts: 18258 |
Yeah, for all intensive purposes, Kyokushinkai is a totally different art now. |
| 6/20/09 5:13 AM | |
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KyokushinCatch
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Member Since: 8/2/02 Posts: 671 |
was lucky enough to learn "old-school" kyokushin (a LOT of jujutsu and self-defense) from Bobby Lowe, and "cross train" with the newer style via All-Japan Champion Takashi Azuma (who later founded Daido-Juku). |
| 6/23/09 12:11 PM | |
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Hunter V
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 3976 |
KyokushinCatch - was lucky enough to learn "old-school" kyokushin (a LOT of jujutsu and self-defense) from Bobby Lowe, and "cross train" with the newer style via All-Japan Champion Takashi Azuma (who later founded Daido-Juku). damn u are lucky! |
| 7/7/09 5:27 AM | |
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Kolsyrade
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Member Since: 5/30/04 Posts: 951 |
yusul - oyama was korean and was in talks with choi to unify/merge with taekowndo (it's an old article i read, i believe it was an inteview with oyama); i believe it was called the KTA at the time. The "talks" was Choi repeatedly requesting Oyama to merge kyokushin into tkd (what is now WTF TKD), and Oyama repeatedly saying "sorry, not interested". |
| 7/8/09 4:44 AM | |
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KyokushinCatch
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Member Since: 8/2/02 Posts: 746 |
^thank god |
| 11/15/09 2:16 AM | |
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koreviewz
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Member Since: 11/22/08 Posts: 654 MMA Product Reviews, OWNER |
Kolsyrade -yusul - oyama was korean and was in talks with choi to unify/merge with taekowndo (it's an old article i read, i believe it was an inteview with oyama); i believe it was called the KTA at the time. Actually totally wrong. General Choi's ITF was so different than the modern WTF. At the time, both Oyama and Choi were preaching full power, full contact type of martial arts. The WTF almost had nothing to do with Choi and from everything I know, ITF thought/thinks the WTF is pretty lame. |
| 11/16/09 12:54 AM | |
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Kolsyrade
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Edited: 11/16/09 1:29 AM Member Since: 5/30/04 Posts: 976 |
It depends on how you see it and what year you look at. Choi was president of KTA (Korean Taekwondo Association) from 1961 (when it was founded under the name KTU -Korean Taekwondo Union. It changed to KTA in 1962) to 1966 when he had to resign because of the North Korea visit scandal, and he formed ITF instead. When WTF was founded in 1973, KTA became the south korean national branch of the international organization. Dojangs do not join WTF directly, they join through the national organization for the country thay are in. In Korea that national organization is still KTA. So while it is true that Choi had nothing to do with WTF, he had a LOT to do with KTA -which is what WTF was built from. This is clip is from Oyamas visit to Korea 1967, the year AFTER Choi left KTA and formed ITF. But the subject of Oyama jointing TKD had first been raised by Choi a few years before this -when Choi was still a part (and president) of KTA. So, Choi started out trying to merge Kyokushin with (or ally it or whatever you want to call it, as it didnt exist any international TKD organization yet) KTA which today is WTF, but at the end (and at the time of this clip) he tried to merge it into his own newly founded ITF. In either case, Oyama was not interested. |
| 11/26/09 8:07 PM | |
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cuzz63
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FlashGordon2002 - You can see how much Kyokushinkai has evolved since then. In that footage, he's practically fighting out of a cat stance, something which NOONE does now in Karate (at least the last time I looked). Didnt look to me like a cat stance so much as a back stance. Right when he breaks the fighters he sort of goes into a cat stance then widens it out some and he looks to be telling the TKD guys their stance is too wide for good lateral movement. |
| 11/28/09 12:17 AM | |
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WidespreadPanic
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Member Since: 12/29/06 Posts: 3052 |
At times, Oyama had some very interesting, if simple footwork. He had an ability to just move forward with a type of 'pressure' and land strikes (often to the body). He employed a type of 'walking' movement. You can see this (IIRC) in some of his old videos. He's able to 'spar' with some of his high ranking belts and pressure them and do a 'ko' pretty quickly and easily. He didn't do a lot of moving around, or bouncing or anything. He also used sweeps to the front leg to unbalance to good effect, and he used a grab of the lapel and strike with them. He wasn't all just 'power'. |
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