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11/18/10 10:54 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Jeff W 21 Member Since: 10/29/08 Posts: 979	Bunch of teenagers recommending teenage kid cars.. EVo and STi for a dude who wants reliablity and gas mileage? You can't even get 20mpg in those, same with the SRT4.. Pick up a TSX.. You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 10:58 AM

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Burt Reynoldz 46 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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The Persian Devil -
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Burt Reynoldz - Sti's are nice. With an Accessport and downpipe you can pick up an extra 30-50 hp and a shitload more torque. Stock, the STi puts down 240-260 whp and wtq. With only an AP, downpipe and 100 octane fuel I was able to put down 325 whp and 385 wtq. Insurance, tires, and brakes are pretty expensive though.

Your figures may be a bit optimistic.

Mark

Kind of what I was thinking, too. No way he did that with stock injectors and no methanol.

The injectors were close to 100% duty cycle at those numbers. With 100 oct you don't really need meth to advance the timing to make these numbers. I have the dyno graphs to prove it.

Why would anybody convert to meth for a 500HP engine? Is he running without a IC or what?

A stage 1 evo + 80 hp NOS can hit 500hp at the crank with stock pistons and no more than 1.4 bar.

The VF on the STi isn't very effecient at higher boost because it's a relatively small turbo. Mits uses something like a 16G which is larger that the VF.

500 crank on an awd car translates to about 420-440 whp. Minus out the 80 shot and your talking about 340-360 whp on the dyno. I've only seen those numbers on an evo with stage 2 and boost controller with 25+ psi.

11/18/10 11:00 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Stu Cazzo 202 Member Since: 6/27/05 Posts: 5679	TSX is on the list too as well as a TL lol @ being a douche because I don't want a souped up Neon - Just picked up the rental car - Mercury Grand Marquis - I can fit 5 bodies in the trunk of this fucker... You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 11:14 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Burt Reynoldz 46 Member Since: 5/15/07 Posts: 3211	Stu Cazzo - TSX is on the list too as well as a TL lol @ being a douche because I don't want a souped up Neon - Just picked up the rental car - Mercury Grand Marquis - I can fit 5 bodies in the trunk of this fucker... For gas mileage it's gonna be hard to beat Honda/Acura. My Mini Cooper s gets 35 mpg but it could never outlast a Honda. You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 11:18 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Stu Cazzo 202 Member Since: 6/27/05 Posts: 5680	On top of that I've been hit twice now by somebody doing 35-40 while I was stopped. Both times were in a Honda built car and both times I walked away without a scratch. That factors in for me too as well the fact that I've never had a problem with any of them. You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 11:23 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
The Mouth Member Since: 12/8/03 Posts: 19162 The OG's Official Esquire, PimpNasty	The Mouth - HOW ABOUT THIS TIME YOU DONT BUY A FUCKING CAR BUILT FOR BITCHES TO DRIVE. THAT INCLUDES NO FUCKING S2000, NO FUCKING WRX, NO FUCKING RSX, NO FUCKING CELICAS, NO FUCKING 370Zs. BUY A FUCKING CAR FOR A FUCKING MAN AND MAYBE DUMB BROADS WILL SEE YOU INSTEAD OF RUN INTO YOU. --- That's all from Chuck Norris. I talked to him earlier. You have ignored this user.

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The Mouth Member Since: 12/8/03 Posts: 19163 The OG's Official Esquire, PimpNasty	The Mouth - HOW ABOUT THIS TIME YOU DONT BUY A FUCKING CAR BUILT FOR BITCHES TO DRIVE. THAT INCLUDES NO FUCKING S2000, NO FUCKING WRX, NO FUCKING RSX, NO FUCKING CELICAS, NO FUCKING 370Zs. BUY A FUCKING CAR FOR A FUCKING MAN AND MAYBE DUMB BROADS WILL SEE YOU INSTEAD OF RUN INTO YOU. --- That's all from Chuck Norris. I talked to him earlier. You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 11:25 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Burt Reynoldz 46 Member Since: 5/15/07 Posts: 3212	^^^no matter how many times you post this, it won't make it funny. You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 11:43 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
HuskersBlowDick 4 Member Since: 12/15/06 Posts: 3098	The Mouth - The Mouth - HOW ABOUT THIS TIME YOU DONT BUY A FUCKING CAR BUILT FOR BITCHES TO DRIVE. THAT INCLUDES NO FUCKING S2000, NO FUCKING WRX, NO FUCKING RSX, NO FUCKING CELICAS, NO FUCKING 370Zs. BUY A FUCKING CAR FOR A FUCKING MAN AND MAYBE DUMB BROADS WILL SEE YOU INSTEAD OF RUN INTO YOU. --- That's all from Chuck Norris. I talked to him earlier. You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 11:46 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Stu Cazzo 202 Member Since: 6/27/05 Posts: 5681	Yeah! Merica!!!! Whooo Hooooo!!!!! throws an empty bottle of Jack into the air and blows it away with a Merican made S&W revolver Merica you mother fuckers! You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 11:50 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Stu Cazzo 202 Edited: 11/18/10 11:54 AM Member Since: 6/27/05 Posts: 5682	[IMG] You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 11:56 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
The Mouth Member Since: 12/8/03 Posts: 19166 The OG's Official Esquire, PimpNasty	Burt Reynoldz - ^^^no matter how many times you post this, it won't make it funny. To you. Which, as difficult as this may be to wrap your mind around, was never important to me in the first place. You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 12:17 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
wheeels Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 5629	"yeah they are reliable.." My SRT-4 made many trips to the dealer, I can't agree that they are reliable. They're also cheap as shit inside. Still probably the best deal for a cheap 'go fast' turbo'd 4. You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 1:46 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Burt Reynoldz 46 Member Since: 5/15/07 Posts: 3215	wheeels - "yeah they are reliable.." My SRT-4 made many trips to the dealer, I can't agree that they are reliable. They're also cheap as shit inside. Still probably the best deal for a cheap 'go fast' turbo'd 4. The Cobalt SS is another quick, cheap pile of shit too. Mazdaspeed 3 is a small step up from these two. You have ignored this user.

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Mark1 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 38045	If we are gonna talk about reliability, we need to stop including turbo subarus. They are piss poor. Mark You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 4:51 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Burt Reynoldz 46 Member Since: 5/15/07 Posts: 3221	Mark1 - If we are gonna talk about reliability, we need to stop including turbo subarus. They are piss poor. Mark <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/> True. same is true for almost all high boost turbo cars. except for maybe deisels. You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 5:26 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Stu Cazzo 202 Edited: 11/18/10 5:26 PM Member Since: 6/27/05 Posts: 5684	You have to be a fuckass to come to a conclusion like that. Those cars are brilliantly engineered and 17 year old kids can't come close to affording those.....not to mention they're actually fun to drive - Stick to your Crown Vic - I prefer something that geezers don't drive - You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 5:34 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
BigRyana 1 Member Since: 3/21/09 Posts: 204	I find it amusing that someone said 17 year old kids are the ones that talk highly about Evo's. MSRP: $33,590 - $40,990 I don't know about you, but all I could afford when I was 17 was an old Honda civic worth 2,000. They are made very well and are quite impressive machines. I don't own one, but for the money, they can keep up with much more expensive sports cars. You have ignored this user.

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Jeff W 21 Member Since: 10/29/08 Posts: 983	^^ That's why it's 17 year old kids buying them with 100k miles on them after some adult bought it and sold it.. Find a stock Evo. I dare you. Those cars are pieces of shit anyways. The day I spend $40k on a new Evo with that fucking chintsy ass plastic interior is the day I hack my dong off.. You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 5:51 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Wardance5 29 Member Since: 1/24/10 Posts: 366	The new Evo interior isn't all plasticy just look up the new one on top gear Jeramy gives a great review and he said the are way better then the sti as well You have ignored this user.

11/18/10 6:39 PM

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Burt Reynoldz 46 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Stu Cazzo - 17? Who the fuck is this cocksucker?

How many 17 year olds do you know with a paid off car and a 200k house?

That's right - fuck you homie

The only people I hear talking highly of the STi, S2K, EVO, etc are 17 year olds. Must have struck a nerve LOL!

If you ever actually step foot on a race track on open track days you would see a ton of STi's and EVO's and they're not driven by 17 year old kids. It's because these are about the cheapest cars to be competitive on a track without having to do much more than upgrading brakes, tires and a little suspension.

11/18/10 10:51 PM

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Burt Reynoldz -
Mark1 - If we are gonna talk about reliability, we need to stop including turbo subarus. They are piss poor. Mark

True. same is true for almost all high boost turbo cars. except for maybe deisels.

The Subaru turbos aren't really high boost cars. 210-227hp from a turbo 2.5L isn't all that much. Yet, they blow through turbos like nothing. Its due to the shitty oil line/banjo bolt screen design, not due to high boost.

Mark

11/19/10 1:16 AM

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Burt Reynoldz 46 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Mark1 - If we are gonna talk about reliability, we need to stop including turbo subarus. They are piss poor. Mark <img style="vertical-align: middle" alt="Phone Post" border="0" src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" />

True. same is true for almost all high boost turbo cars. except for maybe deisels.

The Subaru turbos aren't really high boost cars. 210-227hp from a turbo 2.5L isn't all that much. Yet, they blow through turbos like nothing. Its due to the shitty oil line/banjo bolt screen design, not due to high boost.

Mark

You're retarded. 227hp was the number 2 years ago for the wrx. Fast forward to today and the wrx makes 265 on the 2.5 and the sti makes 290. To do that on a 2.5L takes at least 10-11 psi and on the sti takes 14.7 psi. All high boost situations. way to go.

Burt

11/19/10 7:35 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Mark1 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 38063	Sigh. The guy is looking for a used car under 18k. That is why I quoted those numbers High boost has nothing to do with it. Subie turbos get fried because of a shitty design and it's resulting poor oil flow. Third, Subie actually issued a stop sale order for 09 turbos while they addressed the issues. Mark You have ignored this user.

11/19/10 7:57 AM

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Burt Reynoldz -
500 crank on an awd car translates to about 420-440 whp. Minus out the 80 shot and your talking about 340-360 whp on the dyno. I've only seen those numbers on an evo with stage 2 and boost controller with 25+ psi.

I managed to dyno these numbers on a stock Evo 1 from 1992 with stage 1 kit + a 80hp shot.

check out my brothers old car from a couple of years back.....4 cylinder evo running low 10's on the 1/4 mile with a blown turbo and no traction. He owns his own tune shop in Dubai these days.

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