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Traditional Martial Arts >> Is TKD really from Shotokan?
| 9/9/11 11:28 AM | |
yusul
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 13786 |
KyokushinCatch - oh yeah, forgot to ask if Gen. Choi is one of the TKDist with Oyama. can you identify the others? sorry, are you referring to a photo? i was just going off an article of a personal interview with choi. i have no idea if there were other tkdist with oyama. ''LOL at Choi trying to bring kyokushin into the ITF fold. They are diametrically opposed in regards to sparring.How would have that worked?'' well obviously, it didn't. i think choi was trying to use the nationalist angle, but oyama wanted to preserve his method of training. that being said, the way that koreans trained in the 60's and 70's in tkd in korea (marines, etc.) was essentially a 1/2 step short of full contact allowing kicks but not punches to the head, and no kicking below the belt (except for sweeping kicks possibly). there were knockouts. |
| 9/9/11 11:37 AM | |
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yusul
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if you are referring to the video kyokushincatch, i didn't seem him in it, but i don't recognize him that well in his early days. i remember him being smaller and thinner in person when he came to canada, than any of the tkdist in the video. it just looks like oyama is doing a demo for some advanced bb for a korean tv show, but the youtube clip is more about tkd and the last bit was about it's spread to ny. |
| 11/3/11 2:32 AM | |
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shen
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Edited: 11/03/11 2:33 AM Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 16203 |
Just today I started reading "A Killing Art: The Untold History of Tae Kwon Do" by Alex Gillis. Started reading it at Barnes & Noble and couldn't put it down. For some weird reason I'm really interested in KMA history. Stupid name, but pretty interesting book so far (only read 50 pages so far). |
| 11/3/11 6:07 PM | |
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Fast Pitch
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 6883 |
shen - I just started reading it too. Seems like the author, who has practiced TKD for 25 years, really has a hatred for the politics that go with training in TKD. |
| 11/4/11 12:28 AM | |
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yusul
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shen have you looked up the royal inspector's martial art? if you haven't you might find some interesting stuff. also, there are rumours of a sword art of baekje floating around in southwest korea. |
| 11/4/11 1:46 AM | |
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shen
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yusul - shen have you looked up the royal inspector's martial art? if you haven't you might find some interesting stuff. also, there are rumours of a sword art of baekje floating around in southwest korea. I'll check it out. *** The book is crazy. It reads like a movie --It could actually make a good movie. It's about very crazy Korean men. I love it. |
| 11/4/11 3:17 PM | |
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Outkaster
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I have been retired from TKD for awhile but would like to read it. |
| 11/6/11 11:18 PM | |
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shen
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Edited: 11/06/11 11:24 PM Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 16225 |
I liked the book quite a bit, it was right up my alley. I have been interested in KMA history since I was a kid in Hapkido where we were literally taught that Hapkido was "a 1,000 year old martial art, created by our teacher's teacher" --Wait, what...? If you know anything about KMAs you know they are rife with B.S. in terms of history, for all sorts of reasons --FAR more so than Japanese Martial Arts. I've always found that kinda fascinating. But the problem is, relatively few people seem to seriously study the real history of KMAs compared to Japanese or Chinese Martial arts. Anyway, fun read for anyone from any style that is into martial arts history. And it really answers the OP's question like a m-fer. |
| 2/19/12 12:35 PM | |
HUMBLED1
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Edited: 02/19/12 12:35 PM Member Since: 8/27/09 Posts: 152 |
I trained TKD under a black belt by the name of Rob Hunt who recieved his training from Master IK Kim. This below is directly from Mater Kim's page. The belt color ranking we used was wht,yllw.blue, brown,red,black. I made it to red tip brown belt. I fought in a couple of tournaments and still have my ted tabura/dan sawyer trophy. I learned judo like throws,sweeps and even some chokes,like a lapel choke/sweep for example,people seem to forget about that part. Grand Master Il-Kwon Kim, is the founder and President of the I. K. Kim Ja Be Ryu Tae Kwon Do Organization and a 9th degree black belt. Grand Master Kim is also President of the World Martial Arts Federation and an internationally-known authority on martial arts.
Grand Master Kim was born in Korea and started training at the age of 7. His love of the martial arts brought him to the United States where in 1967 he started the I. K. Kim Tae Kwon Do Centers. Grand Master Kim studied under Grand Master Byung-Jik Ro who studied under Grand Master Gichin Funakoshi. Ja Be Ryu is the style that has resulted from Grand Master Kim's over 50 years of experience.
Grand Master Kim circulates throughout the different branches of the school, ensuring that the highest standards of instruction are being maintained. |
| 2/19/12 9:28 PM | |
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KyokushinCatch
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Member Since: 8/2/02 Posts: 5160 |
^ sounds about right and told you so :) |
| 2/19/12 10:19 PM | |
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yusul
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Edited: 02/20/12 9:30 PM Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 14395 |
<blockquote>shen - <br /><br />I liked the book quite a bit, it was right up my alley.<br /><br />I have been interested in KMA history since I was a kid in Hapkido where we were literally taught that Hapkido was "a 1,000 year old martial art, created by our teacher's teacher"<br /><br />--Wait, what...?<br /><br />If you know anything about KMAs you know they are rife with B.S. in terms of history, for all sorts of reasons --FAR more so than Japanese Martial Arts. I've always found that kinda fascinating.<br /><br />But the problem is, relatively few people seem to seriously study the real history of KMAs compared to Japanese or Chinese Martial arts. <br /><br />Anyway, fun read for anyone from any style that is into martial arts history. And it really answers the OP's question like a m-fer.</blockquote><br /><br /> i agree with the serious study part. with regard to hapkido, in primary source interviews, choi always confirmed that he learned from a japanese jujutsu master while he was living there, and first generation students confirm this. i originally thought it was exaggeration when they say some martial arts are 1000 years old, but if you look at the spirit and philosophy, which are the engine behind movement, then you actually can see a difference. for example, japanese katana movements are straight and often more linear and to the point, while chinese are more circular and precise; movement is the manifestation of philosophy. taekyon was already practiced by many of the first gen hkd practitioners, and the elements of movment and kicking were added then. i talked to a prominent hapkido instructor who said the the original hapkido kicking (which i've rarely seen), is based on the mudang (shaman) dance patterns. unfortunately, few people have seen them, even on youtube. also shen, the secret inspectors were called Amhaeng osa |
| 3/2/12 1:40 AM | |
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yusul
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i talked to the instructor again and he talked about japanese sword being about 'speed cut', while chinese and korean sword are more about circular and 'follow through'. he actually demo'd it, which i've never seen before. |
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