Cigars, Beer and Poker Ground >> POKER AFTER DARK LIVES......KINDA
| 3/2/12 9:14 AM | |
joesonshuevos
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| 3/7/12 12:02 AM | |
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Ze Dano
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great news..thanks for the heads up |
| 3/28/12 2:55 PM | |
carcaju
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Im watching season 5 of poker after dark right now. What the fuck is up with Phil Laak? I know he is the unabomber, but is he really world class? Some of his moves made me think that he was making bad calls, bets, raises, reads, etc. In eps 37 38 and 39 I think. Comes across as a real wanker too. Dwan is a fucking idiot aswell. A god damn luckbox with a seemingly poor grasp on live poker, but gets away with it due to having a distorted value of money now. Opinions? I havnt really seen alot of the WSOP or PAD stuff since they stopped televising it on free to air tv. How have these guys done since black friday etc? |
| 3/30/12 6:50 PM | |
andre
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carcaju - Im watching season 5 of poker after dark right now. What the fuck is up with Phil Laak? Any examples of hands you feel Dwan misplayed? |
| 3/30/12 10:26 PM | |
carcaju
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Playing out of position with 10 2 off I think. It's more about playing with terrible cards to begin with aswell and calling raises with such aweful cards. I understand that his image makes it hard to put him on a strong or a weak hand, but still, I can't believe some of the shit he plays, calls and turns or rivers. |
| 3/31/12 3:08 AM | |
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Tartan warrior
Member Since: 3/20/08 Posts: 2193 |
He's willing to play with shitty cards because he's passed the level where he is playing the cards at all. He is playing that way because he feels he can outplay his opponents and for the most part he is right. I'd be interested to see the statistics for his play because with all due respect you're not really breaking what you are saying down all that well. |
| 3/31/12 11:10 PM | |
carcaju
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Thats because I have watched about 30 episodes. What is not clear about me saying that I can't believe some of the starting hands he raises with out of position? That is bad poker in anyone's terms. I also can't believe how lucky he was in the PAD episodes where they played for a week at Helmuths roast. He was just jagging all types of bullshit on the turns and rivers when he had no business being in any of the hands to begin with. There is a difference between outplaying someone and being stone cold lucky. One hand where he was behind pre flop with something like 8 2 off against pocket jacks or queens, calls the raise, hits bottom pair on the flop (a 2) while someone else hits top pair top kicker (a king I think). Calls the bet, misses the turn, calls the huge bet, jags a set on the river. Top notch poker right there. I understand that you play the person, not the cards in some instances, but with people like Kenny Tran, do you really want to be going in with a shit hand that he can put an exact fucking read on you with? Silly. I think winning 5 mil one year and dropping 3.2 mil in one month straight after speaks volumes about how good of a player he really is. Luck only lasts so long. Sorry I can't cite the hand exactly, but I am already on to season 6 now. The point I was trying to make was that for someone playing at the highest pinnacle of the game, he appeared to make some questionable moves. There were times when it worked (making Helmuth lay down a full house) and pushing Saffai off a massive pot with just a high card (7 4 or 7 6 off i think) on the river. He even comments himself in one hand that "it was a bad call". |
| 4/1/12 12:36 AM | |
andre
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carcaju, He's not perfect, but you have to consider that they are playing extremely deepstacked poker. Stacks that deep change the starting hand requirements completely. Also, I believe that you are referring to some hands he played against total nits (like Lederer), in which case his actual cards really matter very, very little since most of the time nits are totally fit or fold on the flop and Dwan can bet any two cards to get a fold--unless the nit flops big or has one of a few premium starting hands (with no scare cards on the board). |
| 4/3/12 1:12 PM | |
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flemsnopes
Member Since: 12/11/02 Posts: 499 |
Not an expert, but seems like Dwan is a creative and very dangerous Hold'em and PLO player. Live, I think the best example is on HSP when he pushed Greenstein off AA and Eastgate off trips after the flop. Not tournament play, but cash, which is what he's best at. I also think being up over a million dollars does speak volumes about how good a player is, because very few players can make a million per year at poker, let alone what Dwan makes. |
| 4/4/12 4:42 AM | |
carcaju
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Thanks, this is the kind of info i was looking for. Justt so diff to my style of play in shortstack freerolls. I was experimenting a little over the last few days when I could not stay for a whole tourney. Played a wide range of hands and called a lot of raises that I normally wouldnt. Very hit and miss. |
| 4/5/12 12:05 AM | |
andre
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carcaju, Its definitely not something you want to do shortstacked. Shortstacking requires shoving in spots where you dont expect to be called, and shoving premium hands when you do expect a call. Deepstack play is super intricate and generally requires that you throw starting hand charts out the window. That isnt to say that playing certain hands out of position are usually a mistake, but the better you are the more leeway you have with your starting hand requirements. Most games that you and I play will be full stacked rather than deepstacked, so we generally want to have a very tight range UTG and progressively widen that range as we get further out of position. People who play with 200+ BBs can get a lot more creative because the implied odds are greater. |
| 4/5/12 3:30 PM | |
carcaju
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Cool. It is just very different play, and compared to me, these guys are on another level of skill. Turbo tourneys with a shortstack ($5000) are very different to the game these guys are playing. |
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