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Rasta4i Member Since: 1/26/12 Posts: 298	cleophus - Never tried to use just fists. @Charles I guess I'm just not really good at pvp, but I can tell we have different play styles. I usually roll pretty light no poise and I like to use the DWGR when possible. Also I kinda enjoy the Forest except for the gankers. Lol I was joking. It would be a challenge though haha You have ignored this user.

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cleophus 18 Edited: 11/03/12 12:09 AM Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 2175	Hey Charles did you post you question on Gamefaqs? Thought I saw the same question there earlier but didn't see if it got any replies. You have ignored this user.

11/3/12 12:11 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
CharlesLewis 471 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 19185	I did, on ps3. They responded. You have ignored this user.

11/3/12 12:12 AM

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cleophus 18 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Rasta4i -
cleophus - Never tried to use just fists.

@Charles

I guess I'm just not really good at pvp, but I can tell we have different play styles. I usually roll pretty light no poise and I like to use the DWGR when possible. Also I kinda enjoy the Forest except for the gankers.
Lol I was joking. It would be a challenge though haha

Def a challenge but I was thinking of using Caestus and maybe claws. Hmmm...maybe Dragon bone fist

11/3/12 9:54 AM

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None So Blind 96 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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CharlesLewis -
I have yet to grab a flippy ring... been meaning to. I have one light armor character, a sorceror. I use spears and shields and avoid going toe to toe if at all possible... but I don't have the dark Sorceries yet so that's not a build I do much PvP with. With most of my guys it's heavy armor, mid rolling, high poise. Eat the first hit and either parry the second or wade in and stunlock. I rely heavily on dirty tricks too, invading Sen's is my favorite... get a LOT of hate mail there. Kicking people off walkways, using Chameleon to sneak up on them... etc

Back when the game was first released, Chameleon was a fucking BARREL of laughs :-)

Here's a dude who made an art form of it - got his HP low so he could use the ring that amps damage, then equipped the Avelyn crossbow (+15, I think) with lightning bolts and would stealth after invading, wait for someone to pass, then shoot them in the back for 1000 damage :-P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBfluvtEdKo

11/3/12 4:31 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
CharlesLewis 471 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 19186	I saw that... him and the guy who drops items on the cliff in the forest then pops guys off the edge with the dragon bow... those guys are my inspiration. You have ignored this user.

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HallmansHammock Member Since: 10/17/12 Posts: 91	CharlesLewis - I saw that... him and the guy who drops items on the cliff in the forest then pops guys off the edge with the dragon bow... those guys are my inspiration. That's actually happened to me... You have ignored this user.

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cleophus 18 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 2184	I had a guy get me with chameleon in the forest once. He was a tree right by my spawn point as soon a I moved crystal soulmass. Others have tried to do the drop an item and hide but I doubt anyone falls for that anymore. You have ignored this user.

11/3/12 8:46 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
CharlesLewis 471 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 19188	I have guys run right past me all the time in Sens... just pick a well lit pile of statues (the 1 by the left of the 2nd arrow trap works well) and let them slip by. Then while they are waiting on a boulder to pass...KICK. Lulzy You have ignored this user.

11/3/12 9:17 PM

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Me and buddy use to do this at the Kiln. Instead of Chameleon I would kill the first black knight on the way to Gwyn and then put on the Black knight armor. My friend would jump up onto the tree or whatever it is and use chameleon.

It's funny because the players would run right by me, even though I'm ALOT smaller than a black knight. We would just message those who invade and fuck with them. Good fun lol Phone Post

11/4/12 3:29 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
CharlesLewis 471 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 19189	The Manticore at the beginning ofthe DLC may just be my favorite single boss/enemy from any game... he's just gorgeous. It's almost distracting. Not too tough, got him in about 6 tries, without looking up tactics or watching youtube vids. Now the Royal Forest is turning out to be kind of a pain in the ass... You have ignored this user.

11/5/12 5:56 AM

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DMC 26 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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CharlesLewis -
I asked this on /vg/ but no one is answering, so I will try here: With 50 STR and 32 Faith, and possessing both a +15 MSGS and the Grant, is there any point to making a divine weapon? Occult? Are they really good ONLY for characters with NO other stat but Faith to scale on?

About to level Faith up to 40 or 50, will there be any benefit to a Divine weapon or will that MSGS always out damage it?

I dont want to waste all the time and energy leveling a weapon only to find it lacking.

Faith weapons as you know scale with Faith so at 32 you're not going to be getting the most damage possible. With 40 you're close to the max and you should never go over 50 because of diminshing returns after 40.

Faith based damage is magic damage so that's a bonus against certain types of builds i.e. those with high physical resistance and low magic.

But weapons that scale well ('A' or 'S' rating) with STR or DEX will outdamage anything else given when buffed with a spell/miracle.

That's what makes 15+ weapons buffed the most damaging weapons in the game when you have the stats to take advantage of the high scaling.

If you upgrade a STR based weapon with high scaling to +15 and buff it with the Dark Moon Blade miracle you will do the most damage possible. The Grant can't be buffed. Cool weapon and it does scale with STR and FTH but I doubt it will outdamage say a buffed +15 Large or Great Club.

Build a STR based weapon to +15, get a buff for it and use a Faith based weapon as your back-up weapon if you're going to put more levels into Faith.

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HallmansHammock Member Since: 10/17/12 Posts: 109	I started a new character a couple of days ago, int build. Going for all the sorceries etc but want a good weapon for up close and personal. Will the moonlight butterfly horn be a good bet since I'm aiming to get my int up to about 44? You have ignored this user.

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Rasta4i Member Since: 1/26/12 Posts: 301	HallmansHammock - I started a new character a couple of days ago, int build. Going for all the sorceries etc but want a good weapon for up close and personal. Will the moonlight butterfly horn be a good bet since I'm aiming to get my int up to about 44? That or Moonlight Great-sword You have ignored this user.

11/5/12 5:22 PM

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CharlesLewis 471 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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CharlesLewis -
I asked this on /vg/ but no one is answering, so I will try here: With 50 STR and 32 Faith, and possessing both a +15 MSGS and the Grant, is there any point to making a divine weapon? Occult? Are they really good ONLY for characters with NO other stat but Faith to scale on?

About to level Faith up to 40 or 50, will there be any benefit to a Divine weapon or will that MSGS always out damage it?

I dont want to waste all the time and energy leveling a weapon only to find it lacking.

Faith weapons as you know scale with Faith so at 32 you're not going to be getting the most damage possible. With 40 you're close to the max and you should never go over 50 because of diminshing returns after 40.

Faith based damage is magic damage so that's a bonus against certain types of builds i.e. those with high physical resistance and low magic.

But weapons that scale well ('A' or 'S' rating) with STR or DEX will outdamage anything else given when buffed with a spell/miracle.

That's what makes 15+ weapons buffed the most damaging weapons in the game when you have the stats to take advantage of the high scaling.

If you upgrade a STR based weapon with high scaling to +15 and buff it with the Dark Moon Blade miracle you will do the most damage possible. The Grant can't be buffed. Cool weapon and it does scale with STR and FTH but I doubt it will outdamage say a buffed +15 Large or Great Club.

Build a STR based weapon to +15, get a buff for it and use a Faith based weapon as your back-up weapon if you're going to put more levels into Faith.

That's what I did. MSGS and Darkmoon miracle outclasses everything so far, which is a shame because the Grant is just so much fun in PvE. I can't land it for shit in PvP... but I'm new to giant weapons and have yet to learn the tricks... if guys can land Smough's hammer in PvP I'm sure I can learn grant...

I'm going to try and kill Kalameet tonight with Havel's Greatshield and Grant. Should be fun.

I absolutely love Darkmooning in the Royal Wood... chilling on the high cliffs, tracking my prey with binoculars, catching them fighting a Stone Guardian or walking through the irregular cliffs. Too much fun. Went 45 minutes last night with a guy in Ciaran's with a fog ring... stalking him, occasionally ducking arrows and trying to find him. Ended up cornering him on a cliff and battering him into the river.

If you get invaded by a guy With Tarkus' head and body and Guardian limbs with a MSGS, that's me...

11/6/12 5:46 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
DMC 26 Member Since: 3/18/02 Posts: 2774	45 min? lol That's some serious stalking there. Sounds fun though. The Grant in Demon Souls could be buffed, it's a pity you can't buff the one in Dark Souls. I think those giant weapons depend on their move sets. Some like the Great Club and Smough's Hammer have some moves that aren't completely slow and telegraphed so can be used in PvP. Not sure about the Grant. You have ignored this user.

11/6/12 9:27 AM

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There's a guy on Youtube who uses the "heavy" attack of the giant weapons by baiting guys - he lets them get a hit or two on him while he's using a katana or some such, dropping his HP (and hopefully to a level where the Red Tearstone Ring begins to function), and as he's running away and they're chasing, he switches weapons and begins the heavy swing *while still facing away from them,* then reverses about halfway through the swing and the guy runs right into it.

Boom - anywhere from 800-1600 damage in one shot :-O Very often an instant kill.

11/6/12 10:12 AM

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None So Blind - There's a guy on Youtube who uses the "heavy" attack of the giant weapons by baiting guys - he lets them get a hit or two on him while he's using a katana or some such, dropping his HP (and hopefully to a level where the Red Tearstone Ring begins to function), and as he's running away and they're chasing, he switches weapons and begins the heavy swing *while still facing away from them,* then reverses about halfway through the swing and the guy runs right into it.

Boom - anywhere from 800-1600 damage in one shot :-O Very often an instant kill.

I like his style.

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cleophus 18 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 2210	Yeah the running away and then turning and smashing is an awesome move. I also like the guys who bait people into fist fights and then parry switch weapons to a club and smash the other guy You have ignored this user.

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raoulDuke Member Since: 12/18/05 Posts: 7703	the arena is so fucking epic. GAWD You have ignored this user.

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HallmansHammock Member Since: 10/17/12 Posts: 117	Just gonna do the Catacombs and TOTG. Anyone on PS3? You have ignored this user.

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HallmansHammock Member Since: 10/17/12 Posts: 118	Just gonna do the Catacombs and TOTG. Anyone on PS3? You have ignored this user.

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Delorian 104 Member Since: 3/22/11 Posts: 3572	I just fixed up my dusty ass gaming PC and according to "Can You Run It?", I can play Dark Souls at super awesome settings! Don't suppose anyone wants to send me an early Christmas gift eh? You have ignored this user.

11/9/12 7:48 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
cleophus 18 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 2226	Anyone that wants to get the pc version Steam has it on sale for $26.79 until the 12th. You have ignored this user.

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raoulDuke Member Since: 12/18/05 Posts: 7705	HallmansHammock - Just gonna do the Catacombs and TOTG. Anyone on PS3? im on ps3. bananafish76 im like soul lvl 49 or so You have ignored this user.

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