UnderGround Forum >> MDs bar Cris Cyborg from cut to 135

Ryann Von Doom - 

BuddyRevell -

If she can't make 135, then let her fight at 145 wherever someone will sign her (probably not Zuffa, since they'll probably only build a 135 lb. women's class around Ronda). No big deal.

The 135 class is the most stacked in womens mma.. And ronda is ducking cyborg. It's pathetic how cyborg gets bashed here yet ronda is a saint. Fucking douches.

whitejoe - 
They're ducking each other at this point. Only difference is Ronda isn't disgraced or temporarily barred from competing.

Agreed. And that is a very big difference indeed. Disgraced fighters coming off suspensions should have NO leverage whatsoever in these kinds of discussions, regardless if it is Cyborg, Diaz, Bonnar, or whoever.

Slevin Kalevra - Is she really that big? Can she not drop all the muscle she obtained from juicing?

She was taking cutting drugs to help make weight,  not bulking drugs

Card - 

Booooooooooshit.

Billyz - I sense that Cyborg doesn't have a good sense of how what she says or her camp releases comes off to the public.
Im neither a big Rhonda fan nor a Cyborg fan.
from that perspective the way Cyborg demands Rhonda to come up to 45 just comes off all wrong.
Especially all after being caught cheating in a case of cheating so obvious, that it would make former president Clinton's cheating look demure. I really dont think she understands the public's view.

Her physique is more muscular than most mens, to the point that vast amounts of the public questioned if she used PED's, as she out muscled fighters to get to the belt.
She is then caught using steroids with a big fat "No Duh!" asterisk to her name.
It puts in question all the wins she has over many women much smaller than her.
She then is demanding respect as a champion (for a championship she was stripped of for being found to have cheated)
She then chastises a smaller champion and tells her to move up in weight to the weight class she no longer has a belt in (being as she was caught cheating in it) and if not she is a coward
She says she cannot cut down to meet a current champion she wants to fight, but expects rhonda to bend to this and fight at a higher weight were cyborg would be much stronger.
She releases a statement trying to justify how she is medically advised how she cant cut down to 135.
She also cites its affects on ability to conceive and how that is something she would not risk
She forgets we all know she was caught taking steroids which everyone knows is much worse for conceiving than losing some muscle mass from a woman's frame.
She forgets that we ALSO heard about WMMA coming to UFC just the other day with Rhonda an actual current champ heading the charge and might find it ironic that her latest story comes out right after said announcement.




Its fighter bashing if we dont praise her and or bash Rhonda for not fighting her.



Am I missing anything?
yes she is a great fighter but she also is a stripped and rightfully so, disgraced champion.
Anyone think she wasn't on the stuff when she beat the shit out of Carano to get the belt? While its water under the bridge since she pissed clean for that fight, its a question she will always have hung on her doorstep thanks to her actions.

The only thing you are missing is that Honda and Cyborg were essentially competing at the same weight when Honda first "called out" Cyborg. However, Honda was on the chubby side compared to Cyborg's 0% body fat... so take that as you may.

Weird.. I've lost two posts today after submitting them. I type up a couple of paragraphs, hit "Post" and send it into the sun.. oh well..

edit: Oh, there it is.. I've never seen it delay posting like that before.

Because it is so important and since she was caught doping, I would insist that Santos get tested via GC-MS at four and three weeks out, and have a test-epi ratio done before and after the fight.

IOW, and this is key, it makes no sense to let her fight Rhonda and fsk her up and then test positive and say sorry, meanwhile Rhonda has something like a fractured jaw or orbital socket and test post-fight.

I'd want to see a hormone profile and a blood profile submitted one month prior to the fight. It's too important when establishing the Women's Division to screw it up. Yes it will cost more but it's worth it. I'd offer to pay for the expense of additional testing if I was in Rhonda's camp, too, and recoop if Cyborg tests positive at any time including pre or post fight.

I'd also want an 'extreme clause' in the contract such that if Cyborg tests positive it's a three-strikes you're out situation and she is NEVER allowed to fight in the UFC again - it's extreme but it's a form of prevention.

FWIW

dick-tucking.

FWIW, here's a chart of common anabolics and detection times:

cool list

2JupitersTooMany - 

Now I suppose Ronda's doctor will say a diet of marshmallows and gorilla hormones is unsafe. 

12SixElbow - 

Slevin Kalevra - Is she really that big? Can she not drop all the muscle she obtained from juicing?

She was taking cutting drugs to help make weight,  not bulking drugs

No

Winstrol is NOT a cutting drug.  It doesn't help you lose weight.  What it does do is help you retain lean muscle mass during a cutting cycle.  It is frequently used as part of a 'cutting' stack to strip the bodyfat off all those muscle you gained during a major bulking cycle.  It allows you burn a dispropotianate amount of fat while keeping all the muscles.

Just because she got caught using Winny doesn't mean she wasn't using something else before switching to a Winstrol cycle.

Steve4192 - 

12SixElbow - 

Slevin Kalevra - Is she really that big? Can she not drop all the muscle she obtained from juicing?

She was taking cutting drugs to help make weight,  not bulking drugs

No

 

Winstrol is NOT a cutting drug.  It doesn't help you lose weight.  What it does do is help you retain lean muscle mass during a cutting cycle.  It is frequently used as part of a 'cutting' stack to strip the bodyfat off all those muscle you gained during a major bulking cycle.  It allows you burn a dispropotianate amount of fat while keeping all the muscles.

 

Just because she got caught using Winny doesn't mean she wasn't using something else before switching to a Winstrol cycle.

Ryann Von Doom - 

BigSleep - Everyone has the right idea except for Marcus Renato the contrarian troll and Ryann Von Doom, who is evidently retarded.

Not the first time...

Really? So you're telling me that these armchair mds are correct? Okay. I'm all for discussion on it but their fighter bashing and outright ignorance are beyond retarded

SKARHEAD - Why doesn't Rhonda just eat a sandwich and fight at her original weight class ? SUPER WMMA fight !

lol.. wreslters don't check if their weight cuts are going to be approved by a doctor.. of course they wouldn't approve