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| 11/13/12 11:41 PM | |
Zenoplata
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R + L = J
Anyone who has done some reading online about different hidden plots and secrets in A Song of Ice and Fire is likely shaking their head at the inclusion of this theory. They’re probably yelling “This theory is SO OBVIOUS,” at the top of their lungs right now. However, for people who have just read the books without partaking in the online community, the theory that Jon Snow might actually be the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark may have never occurred to them! What do we know? We know that Robert’s Rebellion was triggered when Prince Rhaegar Targaryen kidnapped Lyanna Stark (Ned’s sister and Robert’s fiance). Rhaegar kept her hidden in a place called the Tower of Joy. After Rhaegar was slain and Robert’s faction was victorious, Ned sought out his sister. The tower was guarded by members of the King’s Guard, Westeros’ equivalent of the Secret Service. Ned’s contingent of knights barely managed to best the King’s Guard units stationed outside the tower. Ned entered the Tower of Joy only to see his sister, bloody and dying. She made him promise her something—what the promise was, specifically, is unknown. Some months later, Ned showed up back at Winterfell with a his “bastard” child that he had with another woman. Proponents of the Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon theory claim that Lyanna asked Ned to promise he’d take care of her son with Rhaegar or some similar vow. Ned only lied about the child being his to protect it, for if anyone knew the child was 1/2 Targaryen then King Robert—who just risked life and limb to topple the Targaryens—would’ve surely had the child murdered. Sandor = the Gravedigger
The Mountain = Robert Strong Alleras = Sarella What else do you guys got? Ned really alive? Varys and Illyrio Blackfyres? |
| 11/13/12 11:43 PM | |
junon
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what? |
| 11/13/12 11:44 PM | |
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turducken
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syrio is really varys |
| 11/13/12 11:46 PM | |
Zenoplata
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turducken - syrio is really varys So Syrio is really Ja'Qen, Dany, Ned AND Varys? Holy shit... |
| 11/13/12 11:46 PM | |
Zenoplata
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Jojen’s blood is being fed to Bran
From Buzzfeed: Readers of the books will know all about Jojen Reed. Viewers of the show who haven’t been exposed to the novels will be meeting the character for the first time this season. What’s his deal? He’s a wise-beyond-his-years, sagacious kid with a gift called the “greensight.” Him and his sister Meera accompany Bran and Hodor on their exploits to points north of the Wall. But there might be a bit more to that. When Bran meets the Children of the Forrest, they might be making him do unsavory things…like eating Jojen’s blood that’s been ground up in paste. From westeros.org:
I recently reread the Bran and Reed chapters in the COTF caves with Bloodraven and a sneaking suspicion I had in my first read through has solidified into something I would be surprised to find out not to be true. This being: Jojen Reed was sacrificed to the Old Gods and then fed to Bran in the weirwood paste in order to awaken his latent ability to warg into weirwood.
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| 11/13/12 11:48 PM | |
junon
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a series of books. |
| 11/13/12 11:50 PM | |
Zenoplata
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Edited: 05/15/13 11:51 AM Member Since: 6/14/10 Posts: 9326 |
The Mountain = Robert Strong
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| 11/13/12 11:53 PM | |
AlphaOnBetaBlockers
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Cold Hands isn't Benjen, IMO.
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| 11/13/12 11:55 PM | |
Zenoplata
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I don't think so either. BR/the Three-Eyed Crow says that Coldhands was a member of the Night's Watch that they killed hundreds of years ago. Imo Benjen is probably going to show up in the next book, alive or dead. I think Bran or the Reed children might recognize Benjen regardless. |
| 11/13/12 11:58 PM | |
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PR
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Balon really just did fall to his death. |
| 11/14/12 12:02 AM | |
Zenoplata
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Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the Faceless Men/Euron theories. I think the Faceless Men are involved in something else with the dragons, although if Euron DID pay them with a dragons' egg I could see them bringing it back to Varys/Illyrio if they're involved together. Although if they were involved in a hypothetical Blackfyre rebellion then I don't see why they'd need Arya Stark. |
| 11/14/12 12:04 AM | |
TheRealJoker
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Euron will take Cersei as his salt wife. Victarion will be all butthurt about it.
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| 11/14/12 12:06 AM | |
AlphaOnBetaBlockers
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Faceless men are involved with the Iron Bank. They are involved with getting a Targaryen back on the throne.
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| 11/14/12 12:07 AM | |
Zenoplata
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Do you think Euron's horn will actually control dragons? |
| 11/14/12 12:09 AM | |
Zenoplata
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AlphaOnBetaBlockers - Faceless men are involved with the Iron Bank. They are involved with getting a Targaryen back on the throne. If all of the signs are true, Illyrio and Varys are trying to get a Blackfyre pretender (possibly Illyrio's son) on the throne, do you think they care if it's a Targ or Blackfyre? And weren't they trying to get Stannis on the throne in the last book? |
| 11/14/12 12:11 AM | |
War Potato
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I feel like I've forgotten everything. Who is alleras?
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| 11/14/12 12:14 AM | |
junon
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dunno but Euron is about to shake things up. |
| 11/14/12 12:17 AM | |
djsolar36
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War Potato - I feel like I've forgotten everything. Who is alleras?I had to look that up too. So many damn characters in these books
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| 11/14/12 12:27 AM | |
MMAxNate
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Zenoplata -Not get him on the throne, just delay the war until Viseries had his army.AlphaOnBetaBlockers - Faceless men are involved with the Iron Bank. They are involved with getting a Targaryen back on the throne.
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| 11/14/12 12:35 AM | |
Zenoplata
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War Potato - I feel like I've forgotten everything. Who is alleras? Alleras is the "Sphinx" from the introduction chapter with Pate the apprentice, the "boy" with the bow and arrow. It's believed Alleras is really Sallera, the missing Sand-snake and one of Oberyn's daughters. It would make sense that she would be skilled with a bow, and Maester Aemon tells Samwell before he dies that "The Sphinx is the riddle not the riddler" after having his famous Targ visions. She/he is the one to greet Samwell at Oldtown and bring him away from the other Maesters that she believes will try to kill Samwell (perhaps because Ja'qen is posing as Pate and has been killing people? I'm not sure.) |
| 11/14/12 12:38 AM | |
Zenoplata
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MMAxNate -Zenoplata -Not get him on the throne, just delay the war until Viseries had his army.AlphaOnBetaBlockers - Faceless men are involved with the Iron Bank. They are involved with getting a Targaryen back on the throne. Viserys is dead. The Iron Bank approached Stannis during the last book about overthrowing Tommen since Cersei scoffed at her debts. The last we know about anyone with a connection to the Iron Bank is that they are on their way with a contract back to Braavos and that Stannis is either dead/captured by Ramsay or that Ramsay sent a letter to Jon Snow lying about everything. |
| 11/14/12 12:55 AM | |
FatChrist Magic
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I have three observations from the books that are kind of theoretical. 1. In Game of Thrones it is noted that Hodor is a great grandson of Old Nan, and that she is related to the Frey's. It is not clear what her relationship is with the Freys, but I theorize she was Walder's first wife or perhaps his twin sister. Both Walder and Old Nan are referred to as the oldest living people in Westeros (RIP Aemon T.). 2. There is something up with Patchface. In A Storm of Swords, Davos goes to Dragonstone to kill Melisandre and runs into Shireen and Patchface playing tag. Patchface comes up to Davos and sings a little rhyming song that is a direct refernce to the Red Wedding that has not yet occurred at that point in the story. Fool's blood, king's blood, blood on the maiden's thigh, but chains for the guests and chains for the bridegroom, aye aye. The shadows come to dance, my lord, dance my lord, dance my lord," he sang, hopping from one foot to the other and back again, "The shadows come to stay, my lord, stay my lord, stay my lord. Plus he lived with the fish people and all that. 3. It is alluded that Shae is the granddaughter of the gypsy witch Maggy the Frog who curses the young Cersei Lannister. |
| 11/14/12 1:13 AM | |
xg47
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Coldhands = the Night's King
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| 11/14/12 1:41 AM | |
War Potato
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FatChrist Magic - I have three observations from the books that are kind of theoretical.Interdasting
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| 11/14/12 1:51 AM | |
cnAKA
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jon snow is rheagar targaryans son |
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