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OtherGround Forum >> Alcoholics
| 11/17/12 2:17 AM | |
TruthAboveAll
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Member Since: 5/22/12 Posts: 343 |
Well written post. It's always the writers that drink. I'm an addiction fanatic and I constantly worry about what I'm craving; food, experiences etc. I recently decided I was going to give up wheat and all refined sugar. Why? Because you only have one body and more importantly one brain. I'm going to push it to the limits, health-wise at least. I can't help with your drinking but I can say that it will mess you up in the long run. Prove to yourself you can stop. Stuff like that makes you feel alive. 
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| 11/17/12 2:24 AM | |
shootfighterbull
Member Since: 12/6/05 Posts: 25354 |
I was what one might call an alcoholic. Instead of being ashamed of myself(like I was), i put an end to it. Haven't drank in 8 months.
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| 11/17/12 4:29 AM | |
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btx35
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Member Since: 10/20/12 Posts: 139 |
I'm an alcoholic myself. I will never attend AA because I don't believe it's a disease I take full responsibility for allowing myself to become like this. Even though I'm a drunk (i have no kids) I'm completly content with my lifestyle although it's very unhealthy. |
| 11/17/12 11:41 AM | |
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SCRAPPER
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 5599 |
Mencken -SCRAPPER - I woke up in the hospital (again), looked down at my arms and chest and saw the IV's in my arms and probes stuck to my chest and just got angry. Yep, went completely dry. With my personality, there was no other way since I usually take everything as far as it can go. As far as society goes...my best friend is a high level executive for one of the biggest liquor companies in the world. I used to work for her, doing high end security events, and escorting VIP's around. It was like being a roadie for your favorite band since I had access to any kind of liquor I wanted as well as any amount. That shit had to stop as I was completely out of control. I still work for her on occassion and still deal with the same people. A lot of them are high paid functioning alcoholics (as they call themselves), but they are just like every other alcoholic. They get shit faced, do stupid shit, laugh about it in the morning (or have someone cover it up), and go to the next meeting. I'm not better than they are because I don't drink, I just look at life differently. Not really an issue with me at all. When I do run into someone at an event that asks me if I drink I say something like "I have allergies to alcohol. I break out in handcuffs and illegitimate children". With my personality, I can pull it off and the conversation switches to something else that's actually relevant. As for always needing to go out and have a drink...I have no need for that either. I don't need liquor to socialize. Some people do, and that's cool, I just don't. For me, I just have to look in the mirror and see the scars and a tattoo that reminds me of how I used to be. The pressure I can exert on myself if greater than anything anyone else on this planet will ever be able to impose on me. :) |
| 11/17/12 11:51 AM | |
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Savitar
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 9770 |
10 drinks, 4x / week = $1000 / mo. ? Over $20 per drink? |
| 11/17/12 11:55 AM | |
Mencken
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Member Since: 8/14/02 Posts: 34490 |
Savitar - 10 drinks, 4x / week = $1000 / mo. ? How do you figure? That's 40/week and 160+/month |
| 11/17/12 11:55 AM | |
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Mencken
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Member Since: 8/14/02 Posts: 34491 |
Good post, Scrapper |
| 11/17/12 12:08 PM | |
ThePundit
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Member Since: 2/1/07 Posts: 10139 |
No, i pay approx $7/bottle after tax/tip. At 160/month it's more than a grand/month.
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| 11/17/12 2:08 PM | |
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SCRAPPER
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 5601 |
Thanks Mencken. I know people say I'm harsh when it comes to my own issue with drinking, but that's just how I deal with it. I ran out of excuses to drink, self-pity parties, and emotional reasons why I forgave myself for acting like an asshole. My own experience is that it is NOT a disease. Drinking isn't the problem, it's a person's inability to deal with life. There is something else that's wrong. CANCER is a disease that you can't "not have" when the police are around, at work, or when it's really important not to have it, like a job interview or court date trying to convince the judge you've cleaned up. If you can choose, even for 1 second not to drink, it's not a disease and a personal choice you make. I've run across a lot of people that talk about how it just HAS to be a disease because it destroyed someone they care about. Blaming it on a disease is easier than admitting that a loved one lost control and killed themselves, ruined their own life and, ultimately, hurt those that cared about them. Here is a really simple exercise for some folks and it's one that's gotten a few alcoholics right up in my face: Look back on your drinking and think of something you did that was the worst thing you can think of. You hurt someone, cheated on your spouse, hit your kids, abused your pet because it interrupted your drinking, drove drunk and hurt someone, you figure out whatever it is that makes you say "damn". Of course, since it's "ME" that did it, I can justify it and wave it off. Here's the fun part: Find a random stranger and look at them as if you just found out they did what you, yourself, have done. Probably not in any hurry to run up and tell them it's ok to keep drinking, or tell them that all is forgiven, huh? And yet, as a drinker we excuse fucked up behavior every morning after. Harsh, but effective. For me, at least. |
| 11/17/12 2:23 PM | |
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kanotoa
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 33208 |
If you drink 2 to 4 drinks a night 4 days a week are you an alcoholic? My fiancee is driving me to drink more and she is now criticizing my drinking. 
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| 11/17/12 2:24 PM | |
Res ispa loquitur
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Member Since: 7/26/12 Posts: 1859 |
For me, it was about cutting down days and reasons to drink. OH a long day, I really would love a drink. Oh, great workout, I earned a drink. Aced the test, celebratory drink. Watching sports, who doesnt drink watching sports? Watching a comedy, definitely give me one, it will be better, etc. My problem is it is really hard to have just a few. Once the buzz hits, I'm on autopilot to consume and consume I have. Part of starting small I think, is stop drinking as much when you drink. Don't let the alcohol goblin grab hold. take it the next level and just don't drink in a situation you normally would, or just have one or two. For myself, I lapse at times. Get in one glass of wine which turns into two bottles. Oh, I will have two beers only, end up sleeping on the friends couch. But now I have gaps of weeks and occasional months free of the savage in me. It's a daily battle that alcohol tries to win, but slowly loses its power. When that happens , you can actually learn to enjoy a good night out of drinks. Works for me, 90% of the time. |
| 11/17/12 2:29 PM | |
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Res ispa loquitur
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Edited: 11/17/12 2:29 PM Member Since: 7/26/12 Posts: 1860 |
Or better stated, some people can learn moderation and some require full stoppage. Which person are you is what you need to ask yourself. Only you know. |
| 11/17/12 2:36 PM | |
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Dan O'Connell
Member Since: 10/29/07 Posts: 8615 |
ltr |
| 11/17/12 2:56 PM | |
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superlurker2011
Member Since: 2/6/11 Posts: 513 |
Mencken - That's what I do. I drink every day. I don't get sloppy or out of control. It's just something to do. I honestly think I would go crazy with boredom if I didn't. I don't physically need alcohol (yet), I just enjoy it and it passes the time. |
| 11/17/12 3:00 PM | |
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shootfighterbull
Member Since: 12/6/05 Posts: 25360 |
superlurker2011 -That is the onset of being an alcoholic.Mencken -
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| 11/17/12 4:56 PM | |
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absoluteidiot
Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 2803 |
As long as you're drinking craft beer then quit it with this "I'm an alcoholic" bs.
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| 11/17/12 5:54 PM | |
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Clichy
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Member Since: 1/5/08 Posts: 7116 |
Go to Mexico and do Ibogain, you will never drink again. |
| 11/17/12 5:57 PM | |
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Nuckin Futs
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 14548 |
I highly recommend a book called The Easy Way to Stop Drinking by Allen Carr. I had my last drink when I finished the last chapter of the book and I have not had desire to have one since. |
| 11/18/12 1:03 AM | |
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Feelz Good
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Member Since: 6/2/08 Posts: 398 |
Nuckin Futs - I highly recommend a book called The Easy Way to Stop Drinking by Allen Carr.And that's been how long? I've known alcoholics who have not drank for 1-39 years, and as soon as they did it was game over. I myself have gone 18 months without it, then when I did, it was all over.
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| 11/18/12 1:17 AM | |
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Nuckin Futs
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 14552 |
Feelz Good -Nuckin Futs - I highly recommend a book called The Easy Way to Stop Drinking by Allen Carr.And that's been how long? I've known alcoholics who have not drank for 1-39 years, and as soon as they did it was game over. I myself have gone 18 months without it, then when I did, it was all over. I'm going on 4 months. What you wrote reads like why even stop when most will fail at some point. Not a very healthy attitude to have. I have no plans on ever taking that first drink again so people that have stayed sober for 39 years and had that first drink has no bearing on me. Why not just take a gun and blow your head off since we are all going to die one day anyhow. It's the same logic as don't bother trying to stay sober when 39 years from now you might slip up. |
| 11/18/12 1:47 AM | |
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Dinho
Member Since: 11/11/12 Posts: 47 |
Haven't read the posts before me. But I feel for you. It hurts not drinking. Its so hard to be sober for two weeks straight, and no one understands. I think I need to relax. But I dont understand why alcohol relaxes me. Ive never been addicted to ciggs but I used to smoke every day, I quit ciggs one day and never thought about it. I cant explain why I drink(im drunk now). But you can have a day where you feel like everyone thinks youre a loser or not funny. And you just turn it around with five beers.
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| 11/18/12 1:49 AM | |
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Feelz Good
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Member Since: 6/2/08 Posts: 399 |
Nuckin Futs -No, it's good to not drink as long ad you can. It's better for your overall health. I'd say go for it to anyone considering it. I've also had much more experience than you and seen much more than you. I can do four months sober standing on my head while laughing at the rest of the world. Fourt months? PM me 20 months from now....Feelz Good -Nuckin Futs - I highly recommend a book called The Easy Way to Stop Drinking by Allen Carr.And that's been how long? I've known alcoholics who have not drank for 1-39 years, and as soon as they did it was game over. I myself have gone 18 months without it, then when I did, it was all over.
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| 11/18/12 1:55 AM | |
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Dinho
Member Since: 11/11/12 Posts: 48 |
Im not insecure. Some of the best comedians have been alcoholics. Comedians are exhausted after performing. And I think thats how everyone feels. Even if youre giving a presentation on microbiology or tslking to customers. It takes it out of you. If you smoke pot you get tired and go to sleep. If you do coke you get an angry rush. If you drink its like you got your shine back. I work so hard all week and I just want to feel happy and confident about what I do.
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| 11/18/12 3:02 AM | |
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ThePundit
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Member Since: 2/1/07 Posts: 10145 |
I had a bit of a chat with some 'friends' about it tonight. Unfortunately, these guys were just acquaintances, not great friends, but even they were a bit shocked. Tonight, I went out telling myself I would watch the fights and cut it off at 8 beers. Problem was, when I settled my tab after 8 beers, the hendrix/kampman fight hadn't even started. I had 4 more before the end if the gsp fight, then 5 more at the next bar between 1-2am. 17 drinks. Granted, coors light bottle, but still, far too many. Yes, I am drunk, but even now, I'm still not falling over and being belligerent. I recognize that I sincerely have a problem. I do want to correct it, but part of me wonders what the bigger issue is here. I've kinda accepted that I am leading a life that will end by the time im 55, and that hasn't stopped me yet. While I would never admit it, am I just suicidal and too pussy to pull a trigger? How, else wise, can a rational (sort of) person continue this behaviour knowing the outcome?
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| 11/18/12 4:12 AM | |
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IDXtreme
Member Since: 4/27/02 Posts: 8383 |
btx35 - I'm an alcoholic myself. I will never attend AA because I don't believe it's a disease I take full responsibility for allowing myself to become like this. Even though I'm a drunk (i have no kids) I'm completly content with my lifestyle although it's very unhealthy. I am sober 27 years. I attended thousands of AA meetings. But I don't think it's a disease either. If you heard that it was in AA it was not part of the AA program. It is what those who profit off of addicts in recovery call it so they get insurance to cover treatment. |
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