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11/18/12 3:15 PM

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UGCTT_Molsonmuscle360 52 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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You guys realize the "mohawk" rule is something that Big Jon came up with and isn't the actual ruling on striking the back of the head right? And just because he glances his ear, doesn't mean he can't still hit the back of the head with the strikes. I'm just surprised that one of the people in this thread being a complete fucking moron is a mod. You guys should maybe have a basic comprehension test for mods.

11/18/12 3:18 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
NorthFromHere 266 Member Since: 1/4/07 Posts: 13778 MMAViking.com	Bobby Lupo - 6ULDV8 - And 'Rematch in Rome' has a nice ring to it. UFC promised a UFC in Milan for 2013 (ease of travel for Western Europe via rail), but Rome works for me. Then the shoe can be on the other food Certain UFC staff members have been visiting the lovely city of Milano lately You have ignored this user.

11/18/12 3:21 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
inf0 285 Member Since: 7/29/02 Posts: 65946	It's time to fire that big dummy. You have ignored this user.

11/18/12 3:22 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
ohpossum 2 Member Since: 11/5/12 Posts: 15	To me what stands out most - and is getting a bit lost in discussion - is that Dan used video reply to reverse a call. I hope that more refs do this. Warning or not both fighters are aware of the rules and a warning doesn't have to be given for a DQ. I really hope to see more video replay being used You have ignored this user.

11/18/12 3:36 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Kanabull 12 Member Since: 4/3/11 Posts: 2276	That was so blatant I can't believe anybody is arguing otherwise. I was yelling at the TV as I watched it last night after like the second shot. I couldn't believe Dan M just stood there and watched Cote eat more shots to the back of the head after that second one that dropped him. You have ignored this user.

11/18/12 3:41 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Kanabull 12 Member Since: 4/3/11 Posts: 2277	It actually made me appreciate Mazzigatti when he stopped the Lesnar/Mir fight after that first back of the head shot. You have ignored this user.

11/18/12 3:47 PM

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Mayhem13 91 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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UGCTT_Molsonmuscle360 -
You guys realize the "mohawk" rule is something that Big Jon came up with and isn't the actual ruling on striking the back of the head right? And just because he glances his ear, doesn't mean he can't still hit the back of the head with the strikes. I'm just surprised that one of the people in this thread being a complete fucking moron is a mod. You guys should maybe have a basic comprehension test for mods.

I am going by what Big John (who teaches classes on becoming a referee) an also what Urijah Faber said on Inside MMA about strikes to the back of the head. Vinny Magaleas also commented on how t should be a NC and not a DQ.

Do you work in the MMA industry? If not then I am sure you are a licensed ref by an athletic commission though right? Or Atleast a high level professional fighter? Oh that's right..your probably just a fan, who thinks he knows it all. Gotcha. You must be right.. Phone Post

11/18/12 3:48 PM

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Steven S 8 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Mayhem13 -
MartinLav - Total disgrace. 9 hits to the back of the head, 7 clear hits for sure.

Fighters should get the boot for pulling shit like that out.
9?

Rewatch the gif.

The 4th an 5th hits are illegal. Every other shot connects with the ear. Back of the head is considered anywhere inside of the "Mohawk region" making all but 2 legal (fight was stopped before a 3rd landed)

Urijah Faber confirmed that if a punch touches the ear, it's not back of the head.

So many people get caught up in what the commentary says, an cant think for or understand what they are seeing themselves.

I have said multiple times a NC could be justified in the situation. But not a DQ.

At least someone is opening their eyes. SHots to the ear are on the SIDE OF THE HEAD NOT THE BACK. Why listen to Rogan when he has no clue obviously.

11/18/12 3:54 PM

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UGCTT_Molsonmuscle360 52 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Mayhem13 -
UGCTT_Molsonmuscle360 -
You guys realize the "mohawk" rule is something that Big Jon came up with and isn't the actual ruling on striking the back of the head right? And just because he glances his ear, doesn't mean he can't still hit the back of the head with the strikes. I'm just surprised that one of the people in this thread being a complete fucking moron is a mod. You guys should maybe have a basic comprehension test for mods.
I am going by what Big John (who teaches classes on becoming a referee) an also what Urijah Faber said on Inside MMA about strikes to the back of the head. Vinny Magaleas also commented on how t should be a NC and not a DQ.

Do you work in the MMA industry? If not then I am sure you are a licensed ref by an athletic commission though right? Or Atleast a high level professional fighter? Oh that's right..your probably just a fan, who thinks he knows it all. Gotcha. You must be right..

I understand that Big John teaches reffing classes, but his definition is not the official definition in every rule book about back of the head strikes. I do agree that it should have been a NC and not a DQ because Dan didn't warn Sakara. I have stated that many times since the fight last night on here.

I am not a liscenced MMA referee but I do have experience being a referee in other sports. And I also understand the rule difference that can occur under different jurisdictions, or that even each ref has an individual representation of the rule set in their respective sport. From what I have read through various news sites so far, the fight was actually called a DQ because Dan stated to the commission officials that he had warned Sakara twice (on the broadcast I only heard one warning).

Back of the head strikes (especially the spot where 2 of the strikes landed, the base of the skull) are very dangerous, and the officials need to do a very good job of making sure shit like what happened last night, doesn't happen. Sakara may have lost the fight last night, but where he hit Cote with two of those shots could have had a lot worse outcome for both of them.

11/18/12 4:01 PM

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bhealthy

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based on the reactions to the blows by the downed competitor in that vid, the ref did nothing to be discredited for. i can see the argument for a NC vs. a DQ, and perhaps it can still be changed to that.

if it were I he was protecting the health of by doing his job, i would have thanked him after the adrenaline wore off and my head were cleared.

big ups to ref for prioritizing player safetey over beta- male fans bloodlust

11/18/12 4:03 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
bhealthy Member Since: 11/14/06 Posts: 16677	body went limp more than once. ref probably knows a little about physiology and possible effects banned by rules occipital pummeling You have ignored this user.

11/18/12 4:08 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
bhealthy Member Since: 11/14/06 Posts: 16678	i thought usa mma was moving away from human cockfighting aura. if so player safety should be at the top mate You have ignored this user.

11/18/12 10:40 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Megatherium 44 Member Since: 11/18/11 Posts: 4035	Damned DQ cost me a 12/12 night. I was some upset! You have ignored this user.

11/18/12 10:55 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
ShocknAwe 27 Member Since: 10/6/08 Posts: 333	I think this is the first time where I've actually believed shots to the back of the head made a difference. To me it looks like Cote is ok, then out, back to ok and then out again. All from back of the head shots You have ignored this user.

11/18/12 11:05 PM

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bhealthy - based on the reactions to the blows by the downed competitor in that vid, the ref did nothing to be discredited for. i can see the argument for a NC vs. a DQ, and perhaps it can still be changed to that.

if it were I he was protecting the health of by doing his job, i would have thanked him after the adrenaline wore off and my head were cleared.

big ups to ref for prioritizing player safetey over beta- male fans bloodlust

huh? He stared at it happening how does the shitty ref deserve props for that?

11/18/12 11:18 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Megatherium 44 Member Since: 11/18/11 Posts: 4036	If this man had been the referee of that fight last night there wouldn't of been no trouble. And I would of had my 12/12 night! http://youtu.be/QIauEsaFjIc You have ignored this user.

11/18/12 11:28 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Strykr619 Member Since: 10/14/07 Posts: 3064	This fight should have been a no contest not a win by DQ. Ref should have stopped Sakara and deducted a point for hitting the back of the head. Total boob job by Ref and good that Sakara is appealing DQ loss. You have ignored this user.

11/18/12 11:28 PM

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JBASS 95 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Just watched the end of the fight - you can hear Dan give Sakara the warning just before he stopped the fight. I think the problem was those shots to the back of the head were so hard and fast that Cote was risking getting hurt badly and Dan felt he had to stop the fight, there was no chance to take a point. Kinda like Mir vs. Sims 1, only with stomps to the face.

I think the right decision was definitely made.

11/18/12 11:46 PM

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ramaham

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Mayhem13 - Only 2 or maybe 3 of those shots didn't connect with the ear. If a shot hits the ear, it can't be back of the head..

I can understand a NC..but the DQ was extreme. Especially after never getting a warning.

A lot of people are being swayed by the commentators reaction. There were no more then 3 shots to the back of the head.

NC. Sure. DQ. No.

This, I think I counted 4. Not
7-8.... Phone Post

11/19/12 12:51 AM

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Kings21 8 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Man....I am disappoint. I was just able to watch the fights tonight so I'm a little late to this inevitable thread but before that fight started I sat there thinking "huh....Good 'ol Miragliotta hasnt poked anyone in the eyes or steamrolled a lightweight in a while it seems. Maybe hes turned a corner in his reffing career and will, against the odds set by him earlier in his career, go on to be one of the better refs in the business."

Never again will I question Big Dan's inability to be a good ref. The guy just cant get it together. I wish he could because he seems like a good guy and all but damn man...how do you let someone just tee off on the back of the noggin that many times?

Also I counted about 5 or 6 shots to the back of the head. I think there was an initial one or two and then an ear shot. Dan should have at least gave a verbal warning when the first one landed and especially after the second. You cant just sit there and go "oh that was only two, i'll wait and see how many times he decides to follow up with more back of the head shots because he hit the ear a couple times too." Terrible non-call and IMO that should definitely be a NC. No winner in that outcome.

11/19/12 12:56 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
UGCTT_UncleCameron 3 Member Since: 1/18/11 Posts: 993	Radio Raheem - In for GIF of Dana White slamming Big Dan. Dudes gotta be strong as hell. Bravo! You have ignored this user.

11/19/12 1:06 AM

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othree 121 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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I counted two direct to the back of the head shots. One was questionable, the rest were beyond legal.

The one issue though is that as Cote as trying to get to his feet, he did get hit with the first of two serious back of the head punches. It dropped him back down. I think Dan should have halted the action and at worst taken a point, but then if Cote could, allowed it to continue. If Cote decided he couldn't continue, then call it a DQ.

11/19/12 1:16 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
madmav 52 Member Since: 3/23/09 Posts: 9957	the best part of the fight was goldie ranting on about how cote has never been dropped and then sakara unloaded some vicious elbows that legit dropped cote.. fight went down hill after that. it's possible cote may have recovered and finished the fight or even win the fight.. but atm before the hulk style hammer fists it wasn't looking good for cote imo. You have ignored this user.

11/19/12 3:59 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
MMA6053 Edited: 11/19/12 4:00 AM Member Since: 7/9/12 Posts: 48	Much respect for Sakara as he was literally noones choice. Yes he blatantly struck the back of the head but the ref should have pulled him up immediately and i.m.o Cote was just barely hanging on... You have ignored this user.

11/19/12 11:39 AM

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MMA4Hugs 16 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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I can't believe anyone is arguing that most of those shots were legal. Sakara was wailing on the back of his head on purpose, hard! The ones that hit ear were the accidents. Wow. I can only guess that Mirgliotta saw Cindy Crawford through the cage and forgot where he was for a few seconds.

In the crowd we were chanting "BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT" when we saw the replay, and note that we couldn't hear any of the commentary. Everyone around me was saying "Cote was on his way out and Sakara would probably have won, but those were just blatant illegal blows".

Anyone claiming otherwise should forfeit any right to referee a fight in the future, ever.

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