have beef with BJJ?

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11/19/12 3:05 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
VARIOUS Member Since: 1/22/03 Posts: 53591	Been a long time since I have heard anything about it.

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bhealthy Member Since: 11/14/06 Posts: 16698	beef still lingers. Doubt there are many with the desire or energy to keep it going with all of the overlap. when you get old, you find better use for your time You have ignored this user.

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AristidesBrito 16 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 1570	A lot of luta livre guys sold out to the evil empire aka BJJ. I'm wondering if the academia de budokan is still in existence You have ignored this user.

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bhealthy Member Since: 11/14/06 Posts: 16702	crosstraining and money diluted intensity of beef, which will eventually help to make many people "legends" You have ignored this user.

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Dallas Winston 54 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Answer: yeah, kinda, but the initial animosity and stark divide has lessened tremendously.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/5/26/3045234/luta-livre-mma-bjj-marcelo-brigadeiro-resurgence-renovacao-fight-team-kaobon-sass-betao-falcao

K.J. Gould: Does LL still have a rivalry with BJJ, even if now just friendly?

Marcelo Brigadeiro: Yeah, deep inside we will always have it. Maybe not the new practitioners but everyone that took part in the LL vs. BJJ war in the 90s will always have it deep inside.

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MarcusRenatoBrownBelt Member Since: 9/13/12 Posts: 201	Luta Livre is much superior to bjj. The wrestling is better and is more important to control the fight in MMA. You have ignored this user.

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Vulva Fabulous 179 Member Since: 4/11/07 Posts: 20743	I've heard of grappling with no gi, but....that's extreme right there! You have ignored this user.

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Dallas Winston 54 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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And I just realized part of the thread title is whether LL still "exists" or not, and they've actually been making a super strong comeback over the last few years.

The biggest single source for that is the Renovacao Fight Team in Brazil which is run by Marcio "Cromado" Barbosa. His #1 student is Marcelo Brigadeiro, a UGer and the grappling coach at Team Kaobon. Much of the interview I sourced pertains to Paul Sass' surge in MMA and affinity for Luta Livre.

Former Pride fighter Luciano Azevedo used to be the #1 LL rep for RFT under Cromado, but now exciting fighters like Maiquel Falcao, "Betao" Nogueira and "Junior PQD" are making waves in Bellator and keeping the LL tradition alive.

Plus, there's not so much of a great divide anymore. I believe Busta/BTT brought in a LL coach and gi-players have improved their leg locks through working with LL guys.

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ZzFDKzZ 46 Member Since: 5/4/06 Posts: 6153	Sub good read so far. You have ignored this user.

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VARIOUS Member Since: 1/22/03 Posts: 53606	Maybe one of the all time UFC bell ringers. This video does not do justice to how bad Tadeau got his head blasted. He walked out with the strangest eyes I have ever seen, almost like he was not going to make it. Always thought the LL guys were maybe like the BJJ guys were to TMA You have ignored this user.

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Dallas Winston 54 Member Since: 1/30/03 Posts: 27192	Before my LL interview with Brigadeiro I compiled all of the original BJJ x LL matches from the Desafio tournament into an article: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/3/18/2882727/video-bjj-jiu-jitsu-vs-luta-livre-desafio-matches-rivalry-bustamante-ismail-maia-tadeu-gurgel-maia You have ignored this user.

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bhealthy Member Since: 11/14/06 Posts: 16749	MarcusRenatoBrownBelt - Luta Livre is much superior to bjj. The wrestling is better and is more important to control the fight in MMA. you must not realise how many vote downs you will get for stating the truth here You have ignored this user.

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caseharts 338 Member Since: 7/18/11 Posts: 11865	Id love to add LL to my training. You have ignored this user.

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CJJScout 12 Member Since: 4/20/04 Posts: 7761	caseharts - Id love to add LL to my training. Me too. Different set ups and stuff like that would be well worth it. You have ignored this user.

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caseharts 338 Member Since: 7/18/11 Posts: 11957	CJJScout - caseharts - Id love to add LL to my training. Me too. Different set ups and stuff like that would be well worth it. I don't know of any in Texas You have ignored this user.

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