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11/19/12 11:55 AM

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pm1964 11 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Mayhem13 - Only 2 or maybe 3 of those shots didn't connect with the ear. If a shot hits the ear, it can't be back of the head..

I can understand a NC..but the DQ was extreme. Especially after never getting a warning.

A lot of people are being swayed by the commentators reaction. There were no more then 3 shots to the back of the head.

NC. Sure. DQ. No.

Exactly what I thought while watch it too.

11/19/12 12:23 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
BengalWACO 4 Member Since: 11/18/09 Posts: 604	stonepony - Remember when Frank was saved because Lesnar landed one glancing blow to the back of the head as Frank turned? Stopped it, stood them up, and took a point. Yes. I remember that. It was surely a TKO early in the first if not for that call. You have ignored this user.

11/19/12 12:27 PM

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madmav -
the best part of the fight was goldie ranting on about how cote has never been dropped and then sakara unloaded some vicious elbows that legit dropped cote.. fight went down hill after that. it's possible cote may have recovered and finished the fight or even win the fight.. but atm before the hulk style hammer fists it wasn't looking good for cote imo.

I think that is why Sakara WAS using elbows. Cote's chin is as Rogan says a solid one. However, I don't care how good your chin is, an elbow is a battering ram that unlike a hand won't break with repeated bludgeoning use.

Of course if you listen to the average OGing douchebag here, elbows only cut.

11/19/12 1:33 PM

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Dallas Winston 54 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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UGCTT_Molsonmuscle360 -
You guys realize the "mohawk" rule is something that Big Jon came up with and isn't the actual ruling on striking the back of the head right? And just because he glances his ear, doesn't mean he can't still hit the back of the head with the strikes. I'm just surprised that one of the people in this thread being a complete fucking moron is a mod. You guys should maybe have a basic comprehension test for mods.

LOL

Homie ... would you want to be 100% clear on that before spouting off such a scathing opinion?

Because you're 100% incorrect. I'd strongly suggest familiarizing yourself with the rules, which clearly state the back of the head of the rule is a combo of the mohawk and headphones definition.

11/19/12 1:34 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Olive Garden Table For One 66 Member Since: 1/12/05 Posts: 39271	BengalWACO - stonepony - Remember when Frank was saved because Lesnar landed one glancing blow to the back of the head as Frank turned? Stopped it, stood them up, and took a point. Yes. I remember that. It was surely a TKO early in the first if not for that call. I have 2000 resons to rever forgive that Mustache Pete You have ignored this user.

11/19/12 1:41 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
TheRaider 22 Member Since: 11/11/11 Posts: 1232	For a NC, the shots need to be accidental/unintentional. I think they where intentional, so the DQ was the right call.. You have ignored this user.

11/19/12 1:42 PM

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Ludelow

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jones vs hamill!
Jones was disqualified for illegal "12-to-6" elbow strikes.

so, why a NC?

james toney:

"On July 16, 2008, Toney's rematch against Hasim Rahman was stopped in the third round. An accidental clash of heads to the outside of Rahman's brow opening a cut above Rahman's left eye to the inside of the brow leading to the stoppage. Rahman told the ring doctor he could not see, the ring doctor then stopped the fight. Initially, the fight was called as a TKO win for Toney, but this was overruled by the California State Athletic Commission and the fight was declared no-contest. Rahman went on to fight Wladimir Klitschko for the IBF, IBO and WBO Heavyweight titles in his next fight."

so even SAC's can overturn outcomes with illegal moves

11/19/12 2:54 PM

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Kanabull 5 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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MMA4Hugs -
I can't believe anyone is arguing that most of those shots were legal. Sakara was wailing on the back of his head on purpose, hard! The ones that hit ear were the accidents. Wow. I can only guess that Mirgliotta saw Cindy Crawford through the cage and forgot where he was for a few seconds.

In the crowd we were chanting "BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT" when we saw the replay, and note that we couldn't hear any of the commentary. Everyone around me was saying "Cote was on his way out and Sakara would probably have won, but those were just blatant illegal blows".

Anyone claiming otherwise should forfeit any right to referee a fight in the future, ever.

I agree with this. It was really blatant and I think puts on display why the rule exists. It is far too easy to just rain down blows on the back of your opponents head Bob Sapp style.

They also looked really intentional as well. You can usually tell when guys are trying to hit the side of the head and miss, but like this person said Sakara looked like he meant every shot to the back of the head that he threw.

11/19/12 2:58 PM

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Mayhem13 - Only 2 or maybe 3 of those shots didn't connect with the ear. If a shot hits the ear, it can't be back of the head..

I can understand a NC..but the DQ was extreme. Especially after never getting a warning.

A lot of people are being swayed by the commentators reaction. There were no more then 3 shots to the back of the head.

NC. Sure. DQ. No.

Been saying same thing Phone Post

11/19/12 3:08 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
rsbones Member Since: 9/9/11 Posts: 95	Hitting ONLY the ear is ok. Hitting the ear with fist while forearm smashes back of head (like Eric Silva did) is illegal, as are these shots where there is an impact in the illegal area. You have ignored this user.

11/19/12 5:11 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Olive Garden Table For One 66 Member Since: 1/12/05 Posts: 39275	Big Dan reversed himself when he heard the boos. Not a pro move. I see 2 bad shots and 7 legit ones. You have ignored this user.

11/19/12 6:16 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
joe canada 19 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 3544	Think I'm going to spend a good part of the night posting "Yamasaki was right!" all over the DQ threads. I remember the OG shitting all over him for that call a while back, and now we're shitting on Dan for not making that call quickly enough. Vindication. You have ignored this user.

11/19/12 6:31 PM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Olive Garden Table For One 66 Member Since: 1/12/05 Posts: 39282	Joe CANADA can hardly be unbiased in a matter such as this. You have ignored this user.

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joe canada 19 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 3545	http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x67pqu_operaman2_fun#.UKrGwXy9KK0 Lupo: Vid at. 1:20 for your boy and his team. :) You have ignored this user.

11/19/12 7:10 PM

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georgejonesjr 12 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Even if only 2 or 3 were back of the head, that's enough to make it a NC. Don't think it should be a DQ.

If you start allowing fighters to win after 2 or 3 illegal shots, the logical strategy is to eye gouge twice (say on the ground, where its pretty easy to do), and then when the guy can't see, finish the fight.

But unless he was warned the shots were back of the head, shouldn't be a DQ. So yeah, definitely a NC, but not a DQ.

11/19/12 10:00 PM

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joe canada 19 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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George:

1) According to some UGers, you can hear the warning on the PPV
2) There's no stipulation for warning in the Unified Rules. If there were, it would essentially mean a few free shots to the back of the head until you get the warning.

Not sure what the litmus test is for DQ or NC, but I'd have to think that if this doesn't qualify as a DQ, then no series of strikes to the back of the head were.

These were repeated, deliberate blows to the back of the head that clearly and obviously stopped the fight. Some will say Cote was on the way out, but on the way out isn't out. Others will say Cote was working a single to avoid taking more damage. Either way, it was clearly the shots to the back of the head that finished this fight.

11/20/12 11:54 AM

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Dallas Winston 54 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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joe canada - George:

1) According to some UGers, you can hear the warning on the PPV
2) There's no stipulation for warning in the Unified Rules. If there were, it would essentially mean a few free shots to the back of the head until you get the warning.

Not sure what the litmus test is for DQ or NC, but I'd have to think that if this doesn't qualify as a DQ, then no series of strikes to the back of the head were.

These were repeated, deliberate blows to the back of the head that clearly and obviously stopped the fight. Some will say Cote was on the way out, but on the way out isn't out. Others will say Cote was working a single to avoid taking more damage. Either way, it was clearly the shots to the back of the head that finished this fight.

To answer your question, "intention" is what determines a NC (unintentional) vs. a DQ (intentional).

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