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UnderGround Forum >> Zahabi: Silva should drop to 170 for GSP
| 11/20/12 7:46 AM | |
georgejonesjr
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Member Since: 7/5/06 Posts: 2093 |
chris curry - Enough with this shit. Ok why wouldn't GSP be able to go back down in weight? Why can't they meet in the middle? That would be Anderson cutting more and gsp cutting less. This is all retarded you can clearly tell gsp does not want this fight I don't know how the physiology works, but it seems to be true. Its happened to quite a few boxers (Roy Jones Jr for instance) who put on weight for one fight, then are considerably slower when they try to drop weight divisions again. Same for judo people - its pretty much known that once you go up a weight division, for most its impossible to be successful at the lower division again. I think Orcus's argument that he doesn't necessarily have to go up in weight to fight at a catch of 177.5 makes more sense ... especially if there was a clause in there saying that neither fighter can be more than say 190 or 195 on a weigh in ten minutes before the fight. Now if GSP was going to fight Anderson at 185 (ie for the MW title), then he would have to put on weight, he's too small for MW. And unless he's one of the exceptions, it means he'd never be a good WW again. So catch weight makes more sense. I think GSP is torn on whether to take the fight or not. On the one hand he knows as well as everyone else that he's almost certainly going to lose, and be KO'd in the process. That can't be something to look forward to. On the other hand, it means a lot of money. He's probably undecided on whether he'll make more money taking the fight and losing (and possibly being wrecked for future fights because of a brutal KO and the scar tissue on the brain that comes with that), or not taking the fight and staying in MMA for another five years (and possibly getting KO'd by someone else - everyone slips up) for less money. |
| 11/20/12 7:47 AM | |
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MMALOGIC
Member Since: 8/17/08 Posts: 7046 |
GSP was around 190 and BJ penn was 168 when they fought. |
| 11/20/12 8:07 AM | |
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KingOfFighters
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 6681 |
Gsp should just admit he has no interest in the fight. Jesus christ gsp and his trainer act like they'd have to go through some life altering moves to fight anderson. People move up and down all the time in all combat sports Just admit you dont have the stones georgie 
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| 11/20/12 8:13 AM | |
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kkmmnn
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Member Since: 5/28/12 Posts: 178 |
i think GSP should be calling out Aldo, around a catch weight of 168.5... seems like a good fight, Aldo can move up just a tiny bit, GSP would have to make the difficult cut. i also think JDS should call out Silva at a catch weight of 168.5........ it only makes sense at this point..... oh, and Cruz needs to move up to fight JBJ... to fight at 168.5 seriously though, this is getting stupid |
| 11/20/12 8:16 AM | |
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Gokudamus stole my name
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Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 21442 |
MMALOGIC - So what? Why dont we just scrap all the weight divisions then since its now about who weighs what when walking around rather than the weight they make at the weigh ins Penn chose to move up to 170 and challenge GSP for his belt. GSP didnt call him out demanding that he move up or fight him at a catchweight. Anderson has already admitted he is calling GSP out because he thinks its an easier fight. Yet all his fanboys are running around trying to make it seem like GSP is a threat to him |
| 11/20/12 8:54 AM | |
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guardbr8kr
Member Since: 4/28/02 Posts: 16028 |
KingOfFighters - Gsp should just admit he has no interest in the fight. Jesus christ gsp and his trainer act like they'd have to go through some life altering moves to fight anderson. "Just admit you dont have the stones georgie" Ya, a guy that consistently has taken on the #1 contenders and destroyed them for years doesn't have the stones? IDIOT. |
| 11/20/12 9:54 AM | |
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A bailie
Member Since: 11/14/11 Posts: 189 |
kid chaos - Think gsp is being pressured into a fight he doesn't want. He knows he can't beat Anderson.Anderson would fight Bones. He might lose, but He might start clowning Jones and TKO him in the 2nd. 
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| 11/20/12 10:22 AM | |
suess
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Member Since: 11/1/10 Posts: 14681 |
MMALOGIC - If GSP called out Penn, you'd have a point here. |
| 11/20/12 11:09 AM | |
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Standup29
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Member Since: 6/7/11 Posts: 1085 |
I tried to post on this but the stupid app keeps getting stuck! So irritating!!! Last try. 1. What they weigh in the cage has less to do with wanting the fight at 170 compared to 177. The weight cut is the equalizer. Imagine Thiago only having to make 177 and think about not just how big he would be but think about how much better his cardio would be. 2. Carlos was noticeably bigger than GSP (height and reach) and it is no secret Anderson is larger than Condit with arguably an extremely better skillset. 3. This is what I think many are missing. Anderson has the opportunity to do something nobody has ever done and probably never will do again. He could easily be the 170, 185 and 205 champion. No easily I use lightly as he would be fighting 2 amazing fighters in their own weight class. He also has the skills and frame to challenge the HW champion as long as it isn't JDS. Talk about a legacy! As a fan of MMA and Anderson, this is what I want. Not just fight the Champions, fight them for their belts and WIN!
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| 11/20/12 11:17 AM | |
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Slevin Kalevra
Member Since: 5/21/08 Posts: 1615 |
crazy dude is a stand up coach but his fighter is a wrassler, aka boring as fuck |
| 11/20/12 11:21 AM | |
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Steve4192
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Member Since: 6/1/07 Posts: 7750 |
If this fight happens, the only fair weight to hold it at is 177 with a one pound allowance since there is no belt on the line. Both of these guys are champions, but neither of them is putting a belt on the line. Meeting in the middle is the only fair way to go about it. Making Anderson come down to 170 would mean that GSP has to put his belt on the line while Anderson can leave his belt safely at home. |
| 11/20/12 11:26 AM | |
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muay_jitsu
Member Since: 9/19/10 Posts: 370 |
This thread makes all GSP and Anderson fans seem like a bunch of whiney ******* If they can agree to a weight and want the fight it will happen. If not, oh well there are plenty of contenders for GSP and other options for Anderson. |
| 11/20/12 11:31 AM | |
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suess
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Member Since: 11/1/10 Posts: 14685 |
Slevin Kalevra - crazy dude is a stand up coach but his fighter is a wrassler, aka boring as fuck i laughed |
| 11/20/12 11:47 AM | |
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Sudo21
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Member Since: 1/23/06 Posts: 2167 |
If GSP called out Anderson, i would say that fight needs to happen at 185. But Anderson and his team are calling out WW fighter to move up in weight (5, 10 or 15 lbs) while at the same time they don't want to fight against champion at 205. It's ridiculous that UFC is forcing GSP to take that fight while at the same time Anderson won't fight 205 champ. Anderson challenged GSP so he should make weight GSP is comfortable at (170 lbs) or just STFU and fight Bones if he want's big superfights. |
| 11/20/12 11:50 AM | |
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orcus
Member Since: 8/1/03 Posts: 74229 |
Jons Forsberg - "But seriously, they obviously just don't want the fight. Why don't they just say so? " When did he do that? I've heard him say in many interviews "no, I'm not fighting Jones." I have never, ever heard GSP say that about Anderson. |
| 11/20/12 11:54 AM | |
easedel
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Member Since: 7/14/10 Posts: 2055 |
KZTT_JonJones'sPublicist - GSP doesn't want the fight. Why force him? Have Silva fight a middleweight and shut the fuck up about this nonsense unless he is dropping down to 170. Chalk up one for common sense. I am tired of hearing this shit. Silva is just using GSPs drawing power for a huge payday. When you need someone else to be the draw & you been champ as long as he did...something is fucking wrong with that picture |
| 11/20/12 11:56 AM | |
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orcus
Member Since: 8/1/03 Posts: 74230 |
"yes height reach weight all have numbers but we've seen these numbers vary all the time. ive seen silva listed at 5'10 i believe back in pride. ive seen height and reaches change all over the place."
Anderson having a different number listed a hundred years ago in an organization not exactly known for being sticklers doesn't mean these numbers are meaningless. Measuring these things is not rocket science. Assuming they were 100% accurate, how would you incorporate them into the division of fighters?
for the most part it is a good working system. but things like day before weigh ins give guys 24+hour to rehydrate which defeats the purpose of getting a real weigh in."
It doesn't defeat the purpose at all. The purpose is not to make sure 170lb guys fight 170lb guys. It's to make sure 182lb guys aren't fighting 210lb guys. It's just to roughly separate the fighters by weight. The same weightcutting methods are available to everyone, as is the option to change divisions, and in general there's only so much variation you're going to see in a weightclass. That's what the system is for and what it does.
"sometimes the size difference is just obvious. like gsp vs silva.... "
When I look at them at their fighting weights I see a height difference and that's about it. Their reach is almost the same and in terms of build they look the same, except GSP's legs are bigger and shorter; and GSP is more ripped. What do you see other than the height difference? In what other way is there a visibly obvious "size" difference? If it's so obvious you should be able to tell me what you're seeing other than the height difference.
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| 11/20/12 12:11 PM | |
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Standup29
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Member Since: 6/7/11 Posts: 1086 |
orcus -Are you being serious about the height and reach? Carlos had a very visible height and reach advantage. You don't think Anderson would have the same if not greater with significantly better skillset? Come on Orcus, your just being silly. ;)
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| 11/20/12 12:16 PM | |
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Fedors Jim Jams
Member Since: 12/2/11 Posts: 910 |
^ the point of weight classes are so bigger guys aren't just tossing around smaller guys like severn did to macia? and goodrich crucifixing whathisname. weightclass is the best option but its not the only argument. how do they look the same? because they are humans and have legs? to me, their obviously 2 different size and clearly in different size classes. are roy nelson, struve, and jds the same size? i don't know what to tell you. i've played in sports all my life and been in enough fights. i understand the difference. i know from experience. gsp used to be skinnier but has put on muscle to hang at 170... he's good enough not to have to skinny down and go to lightweight... but not good enought to finish contenders at 170. anderson is a pretty big middle weight who finishes contenders at 185. gsp has never fought anyone past 170... not even some top 20 at catchweight 175.... while anderson has good wins at 205. jones vs silva makes more sense but id like to see silva fight 1 2 more good lhw... but the way jones is clearing out 205 him fighting anderson makes more sense. gsp hasn't finished anyone at 170 in years. |
| 11/20/12 12:18 PM | |
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ufc98newb
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Member Since: 9/26/10 Posts: 1618 |
orcus -Jons Forsberg - "But seriously, they obviously just don't want the fight. Why don't they just say so? " don't you remember the whole "combat can happen" thing |
| 11/20/12 12:24 PM | |
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Standup29
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Member Since: 6/7/11 Posts: 1087 |
Fedors Jim Jams - ^Makes a lot of sense. I'm a big fan of both guys but I honestly think most of the people putting down GSP for not taking this fight really just want to see him get ktfo. GSP hasn't finished a WW in years, why do they think he would finish Silva? GSP wins by dec and would get bashed for doing so. So why else would anyone really want to see this over Silve vs Jones? IMHO only to see GSP get ko'd and nothing else. Not many would appreciate the tactical fight GSP would have to fight in order to beat Anderson. While I would no doubt love to see this fight it is more to create a legacy for Anderson and it is only if the fight is at 170 for the title. I have no doubt Anderson would win and then the only thing left is For him to fight Jones for the lhw title and then either retire or challenge for the HW title and then retire. What would be left for him to do? At that point it's GOAFT!
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| 11/20/12 12:24 PM | |
Cung knocked my ace out
Member Since: 8/19/12 Posts: 796 |
Fuck off Anderson. Fight weidman. Or bisping. Someone your own size. Quit chasing little guys w big names
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| 11/20/12 12:31 PM | |
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Racer X
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Member Since: 5/17/01 Posts: 23692 |
The only way I want to see either GSP/Silva or Silva/Jones is if it's for a title. I don't care if GSP moves up or if Silva challeges at 170 or 205. I just don't like the superfight concept among champs. It blurs the picture to me. I want champs in weight classes. If you want someone's belt challenge in the weight class. It certainly clarifies the P4P status.
Catch weight NOT among champs is fine with me and I wish it would happen more often. |
| 11/20/12 12:34 PM | |
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orcus
Member Since: 8/1/03 Posts: 74236 |
Fedors Jim Jams - ^ Why can't you tell me what the obvious signs of size difference, other than height, you are seeing between GSP and Silva at their fighting weights? I can answer your question re: Struve, Nelson, JDS. Roy is short and fat with little apparent muscle. JDS is quite a bit taller with longer arms and much more muscle, he is much more powerfully built. Struve is much taller with much longer arms than either, but stretched out and less powerfully built than JDS. It's really not that hard. Other than height, a product of his longer (skinnier) legs, what do you mean by the obvious size difference between Anderson and GSP? Do you think it's not a fair fight because his longer, skinnier legs would let Anderson manhandle poor little GSP? "GSP wins by dec and would get bashed for doing so" lol at getting bashed, he would quite clearly be the greatest fighter of all time and you wouldn't even be able to make an argument for anyone else. |
| 11/20/12 12:35 PM | |
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UGCTT_AdamD
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JediJitsu -QFTMFT!KZTT_JonJones'sPublicist - GSP doesn't want the fight. Why force him? Have Silva fight a middleweight and shut the fuck up about this nonsense unless he is dropping down to 170.
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