UnderGround Forum >> Zahabi: Silva should drop to 170 for GSP

guardbr8kr -

KingOfFighters -  Gsp should just admit he has no interest in the fight. Jesus christ gsp and his trainer act like they'd have to go through some life altering moves to fight anderson.

People move up and down all the time in all combat sports


Just admit you dont have the stones georgie

"Just admit you dont have the stones georgie"


Ya, a guy that consistently has taken on the #1 contenders and destroyed them for years doesn't have the stones?

IDIOT.

orcus - 

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the point of weight classes are so bigger guys aren't just tossing around smaller guys like severn did to macia? and goodrich crucifixing whathisname. weightclass is the best option but its not the only argument.

how do they look the same? because they are humans and have legs? to me, their obviously 2 different size and clearly in different size classes. are roy nelson, struve, and jds the same size? i don't know what to tell you. i've played in sports all my life and been in enough fights. i understand the difference. i know from experience. gsp used to be skinnier but has put on muscle to hang at 170... he's good enough not to have to skinny down and go to lightweight... but not good enought to finish contenders at 170. anderson is a pretty big middle weight who finishes contenders at 185. gsp has never fought anyone past 170... not even some top 20 at catchweight 175.... while anderson has good wins at 205.

jones vs silva makes more sense but id like to see silva fight 1 2 more good lhw... but the way jones is clearing out 205 him fighting anderson makes more sense. gsp hasn't finished anyone at 170 in years.

Why can't you tell me what the obvious signs of size difference, other than height, you are seeing between GSP and Silva at their fighting weights?

I can answer your question re: Struve, Nelson, JDS. Roy is short and fat with little apparent muscle. JDS is quite a bit taller with longer arms and much more muscle, he is much more powerfully built. Struve is much taller with much longer arms than either, but stretched out and less powerfully built than JDS. 

It's really not that hard. Other than height, a product of his longer (skinnier) legs, what do you mean by the obvious size difference between Anderson and GSP? Do you think it's not a fair fight because his longer, skinnier legs would let Anderson manhandle poor little GSP?

"GSP wins by dec and would get bashed for doing so"

lol at getting bashed, he would quite clearly be the greatest fighter of all time and you wouldn't even be able to make an argument for anyone else.

He's taller BECAUSE he has longer legs. He does not have noticeably longer arms according to the tape measure, although since it's wingspan I guess GSP could just have broader shoulders -- but that seems impossible because you guys keep talking about how much bigger Anderson's "frame" is. And he weighs (somewhat) more because he is fighting in higher weightclasses. He would not have a significant weight advantage at a catchweight; all evidence points to this.

"im sure the difference is much clearer in person."

Yes, GSP at fighting weight and Anderson at non-fighting weight is probably a very clear difference; however that's not how they'd be fighting.

" id like to see silva fight rashad or shogun or comparable... and jones dabble in hw against kongo or schaub or comparable."

The weight difference between every one of the fights you just listed is bigger than that between GSP and Anderson, even comparing GSP's weight at welter to Anderson's at middle. But I guess there's nothing as immediately obvious to the eye as height, so they must really be the same size.

If not for Anderson's longer, skinnier legs, he and GSP are built almost the exact same size, and this is with Anderson at MW rather than a catchweight:

"im sure the difference is much clearer in person. go find some guys with similar heights/weight and see for yourself."

All we have to do is look at GSP vs Condit.

KingOfFighters - 

guardbr8kr -

KingOfFighters -  Gsp should just admit he has no interest in the fight. Jesus christ gsp and his trainer act like they'd have to go through some life altering moves to fight anderson.

People move up and down all the time in all combat sports


Just admit you dont have the stones georgie

"Just admit you dont have the stones georgie"


Ya, a guy that consistently has taken on the #1 contenders and destroyed them for years doesn't have the stones?

IDIOT.

Georgie turns into a politician whenever asked about anderson....he doesn't have the stones to reach that pacqiao ali sugar ray status.


So in ur mind he can duck anderson and its not cowardice? Only in mma are pussies not given shit for it.

GSP is a WW.  how is he a coward for not fighting a MW / LHW?  

orcus - 

He's taller BECAUSE he has longer legs. He does not have noticeably longer arms according to the tape measure, although since it's wingspan I guess GSP could just have broader shoulders -- but that seems impossible because you guys keep talking about how much bigger Anderson's "frame" is. And he weighs (somewhat) more because he is fighting in higher weightclasses. He would not have a significant weight advantage at a catchweight; all evidence points to this.

"im sure the difference is much clearer in person."

Yes, GSP at fighting weight and Anderson at non-fighting weight is probably a very clear difference; however that's not how they'd be fighting.

" id like to see silva fight rashad or shogun or comparable... and jones dabble in hw against kongo or schaub or comparable."

The weight difference between every one of the fights you just listed is bigger than that between GSP and Anderson, even comparing GSP's weight at welter to Anderson's at middle. But I guess there's nothing as immediately obvious to the eye as height, so they must really be the same size.

If not for Anderson's longer, skinnier legs, he and GSP are built almost the exact same size, and this is with Anderson at MW rather than a catchweight:

" its not a coincidence that jones has only fought 1 guy thats been within 2" of his height"

You are correct, it's not a coincidence at all. It's because every one of the top fighters in his division is on the shorter -- in terms of height AND reach -- side of that division, despite there being no shortage of tall and rangy guys up there.

"gsp vs silva is just an emotional decision not a rational one."

It's perfectly rational. Here are the reasons:

1. It would be the biggest fight in MMA.
2. They are #1 and #2 p4p.
3. They are the two top contenders for GOAT.
4. They fight in the same organization.
5. They have both cleaned out their divisions and are on their second go-rounds.
6. They are both head and shoulders above everyone else and their fights have not been competitive.
7. They are the two most well-known fighters in the sport.
8. At a catchweight, all signs point to them being within 5-7lb of one another, which is an entirely typical weight gap in ANY fight INSIDE a division.

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KingOfFighters - 

guardbr8kr -

KingOfFighters -  Gsp should just admit he has no interest in the fight. Jesus christ gsp and his trainer act like they'd have to go through some life altering moves to fight anderson.

People move up and down all the time in all combat sports


Just admit you dont have the stones georgie

"Just admit you dont have the stones georgie"


Ya, a guy that consistently has taken on the #1 contenders and destroyed them for years doesn't have the stones?

IDIOT.

Georgie turns into a politician whenever asked about anderson....he doesn't have the stones to reach that pacqiao ali sugar ray status.


So in ur mind he can duck anderson and its not cowardice? Only in mma are pussies not given shit for it.

GSP is a WW.  how is he a coward for not fighting a MW / LHW?  

You can clearly see Anderson's kneecap is 2" higher than GSP's. There's 2" of the 4" height difference right there, his skinny calf is 2" longer than GSP's. I wonder how much his skinnier thigh makes up?

KingOfFighters - 

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guardbr8kr -

KingOfFighters -  Gsp should just admit he has no interest in the fight. Jesus christ gsp and his trainer act like they'd have to go through some life altering moves to fight anderson.

People move up and down all the time in all combat sports


Just admit you dont have the stones georgie

"Just admit you dont have the stones georgie"


Ya, a guy that consistently has taken on the #1 contenders and destroyed them for years doesn't have the stones?

IDIOT.

Georgie turns into a politician whenever asked about anderson....he doesn't have the stones to reach that pacqiao ali sugar ray status.


So in ur mind he can duck anderson and its not cowardice? Only in mma are pussies not given shit for it.

GSP is a WW.  how is he a coward for not fighting a MW / LHW?  

He was calked out, and he's dick tucking. If some guy grabs ur wifes ass ur guna tell her ur not a coward because he was bigger than u?

what a herpa derp of a comparison.  when did Andy grab GSP's wife's ass?  you're a fucking moran.  

suess -

KingOfFighters - 

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guardbr8kr -

KingOfFighters -  Gsp should just admit he has no interest in the fight. Jesus christ gsp and his trainer act like they'd have to go through some life altering moves to fight anderson.

People move up and down all the time in all combat sports


Just admit you dont have the stones georgie

"Just admit you dont have the stones georgie"


Ya, a guy that consistently has taken on the #1 contenders and destroyed them for years doesn't have the stones?

IDIOT.

Georgie turns into a politician whenever asked about anderson....he doesn't have the stones to reach that pacqiao ali sugar ray status.


So in ur mind he can duck anderson and its not cowardice? Only in mma are pussies not given shit for it.

GSP is a WW.  how is he a coward for not fighting a MW / LHW?  

He was calked out, and he's dick tucking. If some guy grabs ur wifes ass ur guna tell her ur not a coward because he was bigger than u?

what a herpa derp of a comparison.  when did Andy grab GSP's wife's ass?  you're a fucking moran.  

 

 

what does any of that have to do with anything?  

why do you think he is required to fight Andy?  why is he a pussy or coward if he doesn't move up to fight a guy who has been successful against big LHWs?  

just admit you're a GSP hater and move on.  

orcus - 

" its not a coincidence that jones has only fought 1 guy thats been within 2" of his height"

You are correct, it's not a coincidence at all. It's because every one of the top fighters in his division is on the shorter -- in terms of height AND reach -- side of that division, despite there being no shortage of tall and rangy guys up there.

"gsp vs silva is just an emotional decision not a rational one."

It's perfectly rational. Here are the reasons:

1. It would be the biggest fight in MMA.
2. They are #1 and #2 p4p.
3. They are the two top contenders for GOAT.
4. They fight in the same organization.
5. They have both cleaned out their divisions and are on their second go-rounds.
6. They are both head and shoulders above everyone else and their fights have not been competitive.
7. They are the two most well-known fighters in the sport.
8. At a catchweight, all signs point to them being within 5-7lb of one another, which is an entirely typical weight gap in ANY fight INSIDE a division.

What's "emotional" is saying "Anderson is too big!" just because he prefers cutting less and fighting in a higher weightclass, rather than RATIONALLY seeing that he weighed less for a 205 fight against a 223lb opponent than most middleweights weigh for their 185 fights.

 

Anderson starting camp for Sonnen: 209

Anderson a week before Sonnen: 198

 

Hendricks starting camp: 210

Hendricks two weeks before fight: 195

 

Bisping starting camp: 230

Bisping week before fight: 205

 

 

" nitpicking through internet sources which may or may not be true"

What would be your rationale for being skeptical of the numbers given by at least three people in Anderson's camp, given that we factually KNOW he weighed 202 for a 205 fight, and 182 for a 185 fight, and that in his 30s he fought at 175?

And yes, I'm hung up on weight, because weight is how the competitors are divided, and weight is the only physical distinction between Anderson and similarly tall, lanky fighters in GSP's own division like Condit and Saunders and Swick.

"lol at your "rational" list. and even on that poor list 7/8 of those points can be used to describe silva vs jones as well."

I would certainly be excited for Jones vs Silva and have zero complaints about the matchup.

" the point of the weight classes is to contain size disparities so that skills and abilities can be displayed thereby proving who is the better fighter."

Exactly. Do you disagree that 5-7lb is a small enough weight difference so that skills and abilities can be displayed? If so, you must have a big problem with plenty of fights in every division. 

" who cares about their weights or sizes truthfully. the results speak for themselves."

So you're against the fight simply because one is a dominating control fighter and the other is a dominating finish fighter? I remember the days when fans thought style vs style was actually exciting...And all I ever hear is how weak Anderson's competition is while GSP's is levels above.

if they are that fucking close in size, he can go to 170.  the truth is, he's NOT that close in size.  all the stats and bullshit in the world is not going to change that. 

suess - 

MMALOGIC - 

GSP was around 190 and BJ penn was 168 when they fought. 

If GSP called out Penn, you'd have a point here.  

suess -

what does any of that have to do with anything?  

why do you think he is required to fight Andy?  why is he a pussy or coward if he doesn't move up to fight a guy who has been successful against big LHWs?  

just admit you're a GSP hater and move on.  

kid chaos -  Think gsp is being pressured into a fight he doesn't want. He knows he can't beat Anderson.

Same can be said for why Anderson won't fight bones, don't buy the "friends" bullshit. Anderson knows there is a good chance he will lose.

KingOfFighters - 

suess -

what does any of that have to do with anything?  

why do you think he is required to fight Andy?  why is he a pussy or coward if he doesn't move up to fight a guy who has been successful against big LHWs?  

just admit you're a GSP hater and move on.  

This man had said huge bold words, that he wanted to be mentioned with the likes of duran and leonard. That he aspires to reach goat status.


Leonard was never a punk bitch, he fought haggler, but its ok if gsp ducks anderson?

are you calling GSP a punk bitch?  you're such a troll.  you got me good, you fucker!

suess - 

if they are that fucking close in size, he can go to 170.  the truth is, he's NOT that close in size.  all the stats and bullshit in the world is not going to change that. 

Is this where we pretend every fighter can automatically cut as much weight as any other and perform just as well? Johnny Hendricks says in college he cut from 205 to wrestle at 165 and now he cuts from 195 to 170, why doesn't everyone do that? Or why doesn't he cut the same amount? He's smaller AND cutting less. Meanwhile Mike Swick is fighting at 170 while only weighing 180.

"he's NOT that close in size.  all the stats and bullshit in the world is not going to change that. "

lol @ the notion that "size" isn't 100% defined by stats.

UGCTT_I Got Fitched Up -  Just a couple months ago Firas said that GSP told him he wants to fight Anderson. He also said that he thinks a CATCHWEIGHT of 177 would be "fair".

Now that the fight is closer firas is flip flopping like Romney once the primaries were over....

Exactly.

August 9 2012: ""Georges St-Pierre told me he wants (to fight Anderson Silva). But right now he has to get back on the horse and fight Carlos Condit and be champion again. He needs to keep focused. (If the Silva fight happens) ideally I'd like a catch weight. I think it'd be more fair. If you fight at a catch weight, Silva won't be 20 pounds heavier. 177 or 178 pounds is much more fair.""

What happened to that?