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"Forward!"

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Good Chart, Americans consume much more than most nations. This is evident by grocery shoping.. Phone Post
11/22/12 2:32 PM
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This makes no sense. So each household is 90% of GDP? Isn't that billions of dollars per household? WTF is this shit? Phone Post
11/22/12 2:34 PM
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Pessimist_Pete -  This makes no sense. So each household is 90% of GDP? Isn't that billions of dollars per household? WTF is this shit? Phone Post

Lots of household debt.  That's what that shit is.

11/22/12 2:38 PM
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GDP was roughly 15 trillion in 2011. That means, according to this, total household debt was 13.5 trillion. A staggering number.
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Isn't the economist owned indirectly by a Rothschild? Phone Post
11/22/12 2:48 PM
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IN THE years before the financial crisis, the rich world was surfing on a wave of private debt. Our interactive guide (updated on September 19th 2012) shows levels of debt as a percentage of GDP for a selection of rich countries and emerging markets. Between the first quarter of 2004 and the first quarter of 2009, private-sector non-financial debt rose by an average of 43% of GDP in the Western countries shown (excluding Germany). Since the crisis the debt burden has spread to the public balance-sheet. The costs of bail-outs and fiscal stimulus, and the effects of slow economic growth on tax revenues, have sent the ratio of government debt to GDP spiralling. The private sector has at least begun to deleverage: private-sector non-financial debt has decreased by eight percentage points on average in the past three years for those same six countries. But there is an awfully long way to go to turn back the clock.

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edited. for math. one sec

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For Canada that's $43,221 of debt per person including your grandparents and kids.

11/22/12 3:01 PM
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Pshaw, MSNBC, NY Times and President Obama tell me what to think. Your numbers are just voodoo and 1% scaremongering.

11/22/12 3:03 PM
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I am sirprised at Canada. Phone Post
11/22/12 3:33 PM
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That debt includes mortgages, I assume? If so, I think it's important to consider relative housing prices in each country. Phone Post
11/22/12 3:35 PM
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What does it look like when you add the government debt per household? Phone Post
11/22/12 3:39 PM
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Rates are low so people borrow. I get that. Phone Post
11/22/12 4:14 PM
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The important question to ask is what is considered as part of household debt.


Student loans?
Car loans?
Homes?
Credit cards?
Healthcare costs?
11/22/12 4:20 PM
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Household debt is the total consumer debt that the people in a single household have accrued. It includes mortgage debt in addition to credit card debt, car loans, student loans and other outstanding non-business loans.
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What is it with British imperial states and consumption? I always wondered this.
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I have very little debt, but my wife is a doctor and she has massive debt, far more than she earns. I think student loans really boost the debt to GDP ratio. Student loans debt has surpassed credit card debt in America.
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jellyman -  Rates are low so people borrow. I get that. Phone Post

Problem is, they stretch themselves and take all the debt they can possbily handle at these low rates.  The debts they take on are amortized over 6-40 years... interest rates are at historical lows and are only intended to stay this low for a handfull of years.

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jellyman -  Rates are low so people borrow. I get that. Phone Post

Problem is, they stretch themselves and take all the debt they can possbily handle at these low rates.  The debts they take on are amortized over 6-40 years... interest rates are at historical lows and are only intended to stay this low for a handfull of years.

Yeah, that's not for me that's for sure. Phone Post

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