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11/29/12 4:15 AM

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Ken Wayne Shamrock

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Watching Clay Guida RUN FROM Gray Maynard THE ENTIRE FIGHT influenced me to feel extremely disturbed and sick to my stomach. Why? Clay WAS my favorite fighter to watch until Greg Jackson turned him into an Ultimate Runner worse than Kalib Starnes. I'm curious what the rest of you MMA fans think: Should Clay Guida be banned from the UFC for running away all 5 rounds of a Championship-style fight? Yes or No. Also, please feel free to share your opinions on why you think Clay Guida SHOULD or shouldn't be banned from UFC. Afterall, sharing is caring. ^_^

11/29/12 4:19 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
TenOfSwords 25 Member Since: 5/14/06 Posts: 2940	Because he has moved down to 145 he shouldn't be banned. You have ignored this user.

11/29/12 4:21 AM

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JBASS 90 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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Ken Wayne Shamrock - Watching Clay Guida RUN FROM Gray Maynard THE ENTIRE FIGHT influenced me to feel extremely disturbed and sick to my stomach. Why? Clay WAS my favorite fighter to watch until Greg Jackson turned him into an Ultimate Runner worse than Kalib Starnes. I'm curious what the rest of you MMA fans think: Should Clay Guida be banned from the UFC for running away all 5 rounds of a Championship-style fight? Yes or No. Also, please feel free to share your opinions on why you think Clay Guida SHOULD or shouldn't be banned from UFC. Afterall, sharing is caring. ^_^

There are people out there who share the same opinion as you in regards to a certain champion within the very same organization Clay Guida fights in.

Should we ban him too?

11/29/12 4:24 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
JakeTheMuss Member Since: 9/4/11 Posts: 402	Ban Ken Wayne Shamrock from the UG? Yes or No? You have ignored this user.

11/29/12 4:35 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Archer0545 Member Since: 5/3/07 Posts: 13431	JakeTheMuss - Ban Ken Wayne Shamrock from the UG? Yes or No? This You have ignored this user.

11/29/12 4:38 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
ChaosOverkill 162 Member Since: 3/2/11 Posts: 9532	Archer0545 - JakeTheMuss - Ban Ken Wayne Shamrock from the UG? Yes or No? This this You have ignored this user.

11/29/12 4:46 AM

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JBASS -
Ken Wayne Shamrock - Watching Clay Guida RUN FROM Gray Maynard THE ENTIRE FIGHT influenced me to feel extremely disturbed and sick to my stomach. Why? Clay WAS my favorite fighter to watch until Greg Jackson turned him into an Ultimate Runner worse than Kalib Starnes. I'm curious what the rest of you MMA fans think: Should Clay Guida be banned from the UFC for running away all 5 rounds of a Championship-style fight? Yes or No. Also, please feel free to share your opinions on why you think Clay Guida SHOULD or shouldn't be banned from UFC. Afterall, sharing is caring. ^_^

There are people out there who share the same opinion as you in regards to a certain champion within the very same organization Clay Guida fights in.

Should we ban him too?

I believe that Greg Jackson's teaching is truer to what R. Gracie envisioned with Bob Abraham back in the early 1990s when he first invented ultimate fighting.
I have been watching Ultimate Fighting since at least 2009 (perhaps earlier) and have studied the sport on YouTube dot com. I saw a video once where Mr. R.Gracie does an interview and tells the reporter he has washed his hands of the sport he created because the powers that be imposed rules such as no Keith Hackney punching the testicles or Kimo hair-pulls. He said it is no longer a contest to see who the best fighter in the world if there are rules and certain moves are banned.
Now I see much nostalgia on this sight about how the PRIDE FIGHTING events were so much better, so much more pure and so much better. How can we who call ourselves true ultimate fighting fans and get angry with Jackson for creating a system that wins fights?
I say if we as fans support banning a fighting style then we are no better than the low-down dirty jerks who watered down our beloved sport to begin with.

11/29/12 6:04 AM

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DreamerMMA 202 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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It was an unusual style for Clay Guida to be sure but his normal come at you and brawl style would have been a terrible mistake against Gray Maynard who is a better striker and a better wrestler IMO.

Clay Guida was getting in, getting off some shots, then getting back out which was smart.

Maybe not the most exciting style, and it certainly pissed of Maynard who was expecting an all out war, but effective nonetheless.

I was actually impressed with Guida's patience and gameplan. He actually frustrated and confused Gray Maynard and that's not easy to do.

11/29/12 6:37 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
UGCTT_mousetrap 42 Member Since: 6/6/12 Posts: 602	ChaosOverkill - Archer0545 - JakeTheMuss - Ban Ken Wayne Shamrock from the UG? Yes or No? This this This You have ignored this user.

11/29/12 7:11 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
6ULDV8 222 Member Since: 1/1/01 Posts: 12573	3 feet less per side. The reason the little guys were so exciting in WEC was the cage was 5 feet less per side. I figure 27' per side instead of 30 would be a good compromise. The Octagon is too damn big. You have ignored this user.

11/29/12 7:39 AM

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john joe 144 The total sum of your votes up and votes down

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gettinjiggysince97 - yeah with the cage being so big it makes that style a viable option its pretty much how mighty mouse wins his fights, idk what a solution is though.

maybe switch to a ring, have the fights in japan where there's no commission, so you can bring back soccer kicks. And give the events a title that relates to 'dingity' or 'honor' ... something like that...

:p

11/29/12 8:10 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
NorthernIrishZombie 93 Member Since: 3/2/12 Posts: 257	6ULDV8 - 3 feet less per side. The reason the little guys were so exciting in WEC was the cage was 5 feet less per side. I figure 27' per side instead of 30 would be a good compromise. The Octagon is too damn big. This, all day long. You have ignored this user.

11/29/12 8:14 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
UGCTT_Pariah Member Since: 11/8/11 Posts: 609	Guida won that fight, still makes ME sick to my stomach that the refs gave it to Maynard. Still a huge Guida fan, and can't wait to see him at 145 You have ignored this user.

11/29/12 8:36 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
DreamerMMA 202 Member Since: 11/19/05 Posts: 17772 Mixed Martial Arts, LLC, Moderator	UGCTT_Pariah - Guida won that fight, still makes ME sick to my stomach that the refs gave it to Maynard. Still a huge Guida fan, and can't wait to see him at 145 I think you mean the judges. Refs catch enough flak without being blamed for decisions. ;) You have ignored this user.

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Archer0545 Member Since: 5/3/07 Posts: 13433	UGCTT_mousetrap - ChaosOverkill - Archer0545 - JakeTheMuss - Ban Ken Wayne Shamrock from the UG? Yes or No? This this This This again! You have ignored this user.

11/29/12 9:12 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
JamyS26 4 Member Since: 7/23/12 Posts: 68	Uhhhhh, no? Removing him because of a single fight that he tried a more cautious pick and move style that didn't work would be terrible. He doesn't deserve that. Just a laugh but not a cut You have ignored this user.

11/29/12 9:17 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
JakeTheMuss Member Since: 9/4/11 Posts: 406	Oh my, the OP's ridiculous thread has generated ACTUAL DISCUSSION. Someone get me a xanax. You have ignored this user.

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11/29/12 9:45 AM

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UGCTT_Pariah - Guida won that fight, still makes ME sick to my stomach that the refs gave it to Maynard. Still a huge Guida fan, and can't wait to see him at 145

I think you mean the judges.

Refs catch enough flak without being blamed for decisions. ;)

Sorry, good catch! Haha..

Was typing that on my way to my first class this morning, too cold for fingers and brain to work together I suppose Phone Post

11/29/12 9:46 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
Flyers179 Edited: 11/29/12 10:12 AM Member Since: 12/9/05 Posts: 1676	Roger Huerta stole his soul. You have ignored this user.

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Son of Neckbone 27 Member Since: 1/18/04 Posts: 3236	"Banned" and "cut" are not the same verbs, but neither will happen. Certainly after his performance, Joe Silva is highly unlikely to base an event around Guida ever again. Hopefully he'll be downgraded to the undercard as an example of how not to fight in a main event. You have ignored this user.

11/29/12 9:51 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
ortman166 25 Member Since: 11/28/10 Posts: 5570	I have no desire to watch him fight or any respect for him as a fighter, but do I wish someone I don't even know personally to lose their job? No not at all, I'm sure he's a cool dude, he just realized that he was overmatched. You have ignored this user.

11/29/12 9:52 AM	Ignore \| Quote \| Edit \| Warn Admin \| Vote Down \| Vote Up \| Delete Post
JDV 90 Member Since: 6/12/09 Posts: 1963	no You have ignored this user.

11/29/12 10:24 AM

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DreamerMMA -
It was an unusual style for Clay Guida to be sure but his normal come at you and brawl style would have been a terrible mistake against Gray Maynard who is a better striker and a better wrestler IMO.

Clay Guida was getting in, getting off some shots, then getting back out which was smart.

Maybe not the most exciting style, and it certainly pissed of Maynard who was expecting an all out war, but effective nonetheless.

I was actually impressed with Guida's patience and gameplan. He actually frustrated and confused Gray Maynard and that's not easy to do.

Disagree, his best chance was to make it a bit of a brawl, push the pace, force Maynard to work and then use his superior cardio to win the fight in the later rounds. Phone Post

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Ebe5 Member Since: 3/22/11 Posts: 437	If he could some how mix the old guida with the new guida I think he would be deadly. Make them miss. make them miss then bam turn it on. You have ignored this user.

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